Yeah. Frieza completely changed everything, though mostly in raising powers to such a level that nothing less would ever do again.
One Strip! One Strip!I swear I remember hearing somewhere that Shin was as strong as Perfect Cell.
This song needs more love.Freeza really did fuck shit up. I don't think there's ever as drastic a proportional leap as when he starts going up in forms. In his first form he's almost 5 times as strong as Captain Ginyu and it only gets more ridiculous from there.
You know, I know it's really iconic but the later part of the Freeza saga may be some of my least favourite DB stuff.
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"But he's almost 60 Ginyu's at full power. Freeza only works if he never ever lets go of the villain ball; had he gotten bored at literally any point in the fight before the point where he finally did that would be that. He kills the entire team and flies off in a sulk.
edited 13th Dec '17 8:01:12 PM by Sigilbreaker26
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"But what would the point of that be? He had no reason to hurry up or be cautious because no one there could actually challenge him until Goku went Super Saiyan. Up until that point Frieza was indeed the strongest (mortal) in the universe, and he literally had nothing to fear, so why bother being careful?
edited 13th Dec '17 8:04:37 PM by LSBK
Pretty much.
Being the biggest baddest dog in the yard plus enjoying playing with his food equals dragging out a fight he could have won in seconds.
Even now, with learning there are others who can match him and surpass him, Frieza still hasn't overcome his tendency to toy with weaker opponents.
One Strip! One Strip!He wasn't "dominating the fight" he could have killed them at *literally any point* during it. We really only see him start to fatigue when he goes all out 100%.
Remember, Gohan and Krillin both have a power level of something like 18'000 for Gohan and less for Krillin, so they're 100% useless at all times unless Gohan gets angry. Vegeta is just not enough to make up the distance and it's only when Piccolo gets there that they make any headway at all - and by that I mean Freeza goes third form and kicks their asses without trying. Vegeta pulls the Zenkai stunt and Freeza's fourth form shuts him down completely. Then Goku gets there and has to pull out the 20x Kaioken to even match Freeza.
Like, a little bit of underestimating, sure, I don't mind that. But this goes on for aaaages and aaages and there's never a point where the combatants are equally matched (in the manga at least). It's just Freeza toying with everyone for ages then Goku goes SSJ and Freeza gets his ass dominated.
edited 13th Dec '17 8:10:49 PM by Sigilbreaker26
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"...Yes, which is why there's nothing particularly stupid about his behavior. He could just kill them all, but that's not what he wanted to do and he had absolutely no reason to believe they could ever be a threat to him. When you're in total control of the situation that affords you the right to handle the situation however you want.
edited 13th Dec '17 8:11:28 PM by LSBK
It's really goddamn boring is what I'm saying. In the Vegeta fight they were at least able to wear him down and everyone played a part. Vegeta did make the same mistake (taking a frikkin three hour break) but it was glossed over really quickly, whereas in the Freeza fight there aren't any stakes because the heroes accomplish jack shit.
It isn't dominating a fight because it's not a fight. There's no struggle. He's a cat toying with his food.
edited 13th Dec '17 8:13:20 PM by Sigilbreaker26
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"Are ya saying they should've run away like smart guys...?
It's domination whether it's a "fight" or not.
edited 13th Dec '17 8:14:58 PM by randomness4
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Well that wouldn't have worked either.
Frieza was more powerful, and thereby faster as well. There was no hope for them to get away or win once he decided to come after them.
He was unfairly strong and the heroes had no options besides dying, or dying agonizingly.
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He wasn't just giving them trouble. They literally had no chance of winning at all. Nothing they did phased him in the slightest.
Even Goku's strongest techniques, which at least did a bit of damage to Vegeta had no effect at all on him. Frieza wasn't even weakened from the Spirit Bomb.
I'll admit, if Toriyama really wanted to drive home just how ridiculously unstoppable Frieza was, he succeeded.
edited 13th Dec '17 8:18:15 PM by HandsomeRob
One Strip! One Strip!

He is a true genuine monster.
Nothing else like him.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."