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XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#71651: Dec 13th 2017 at 5:41:00 PM

[up]x5

You know, if the "Mysterious Youth" really is Fu/Fuunote , he might be the perfect foil for Time Patroller Trunks. A scientist for a mom, a signature sword user, a knack for messing with time for a purpose. Heck, both are introduced late into a story as unknown, yet powerful youths.

All we need now is Fuu dispatching a prominent figure in a Crazy Awesome mastery of his power, like F.Trunks versus Mecha Freeza, and we'll be set.

edited 13th Dec '17 6:13:45 PM by XMenMutant22

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#71652: Dec 13th 2017 at 6:09:54 PM

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Who's this mysterious youth? Is this a Xenoverse thing?

Ah yes, I forgot that Dragon Ball works differently from real life, where beating a guy who's twice as strong as you is actually possible.

Really? I mean, I guess if you pull a knife or use a gun, but if a dude is bigger and stronger than you, than it's gonna be pretty hard to beat them, it's just that Dragonball exaggerates it. In real life, there might be something you can do (even if it's cheating) to bridge the gap, but in dragon ball, unless you just become stronger than that dude, you've already lost.

Also, that instance from the Dark Knight Returns wasn't even Bruce trying to win that fight. He knew he couldn't, and the only reason it lasted as long as it did was because Superman was weakened before hand, and wasn't even trying to hurt him in the first place.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#71653: Dec 13th 2017 at 6:12:54 PM

[up]He's Xenoverse 2 DLC and bears a striking resemblance to a grown-up version of Fu, Towa and Mira's son from DB Online.

edited 13th Dec '17 6:13:10 PM by LordVatek

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#71654: Dec 13th 2017 at 6:13:49 PM

Superman was trying to hurt him (after Bruce pulled that stunt with the electricity) but he wasn't trying to kill him. But yes, that fight is all about Batman stacking the deck to get a win. When your opponent is Superman you take what you can get.

In real life, beating a guy who's twice as strong as you can be down to as little as "he's having a bad day".

edited 13th Dec '17 6:14:53 PM by Sigilbreaker26

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#71655: Dec 13th 2017 at 6:14:06 PM

I was talking about the fight with the mutant leader from the first movie not Superman which was in the second.

First movie was better than the second. The fight choreography in the mutant leader fight was fucking amazing.

[up][up] Why is Satan a Super Saiyan?

edited 13th Dec '17 6:16:05 PM by slimcoder

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#71656: Dec 13th 2017 at 6:16:11 PM

Hmm. Probably. The second half leans on the voice actor more and he isn't super great for the part. As adaptions of the comic book they're okay but not amazing.

All of the final fights in DKR are really solid but I do agree, the Mutant Leader fight is great. It's about as brutal as I can take Batman before I stop rooting for him but it hits that sweet spot and has plenty of great lines.

edited 13th Dec '17 6:17:21 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#71657: Dec 13th 2017 at 6:18:45 PM

Ok. The Mutant Leader fight tracks. Bruce fought stupid the first time, trying to match him in strength.

The second time, he used better tactics and took advantage of the terrain, and just fought plain dirty.

That wouldn't track in dragon ball...well it might, but first you would need to have enough ki. If you don't any tactics you could come up with are worthless.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#71658: Dec 13th 2017 at 6:21:15 PM

The only viable tactics in DB are some variation of "use a technique that gets around power" like the Mafuba or Buu's regeneration.

The only recent exception I can think of was the Hit V Dypso battle which was actually fairly reasonable in tactical terms.

edited 13th Dec '17 6:22:00 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#71659: Dec 13th 2017 at 6:23:35 PM

Heh thats why I said he'd need the Hellbat suit or the Doomsday virus to even the gap even if thats a whole different universe. tongue

Now I'm thinking how funny it be if Batman fought Goku & Vegeta would be because the latter 2 would be so annoyed with the former. Batman's strategy especially against someone stronger is to hide in the shadows first chance he gets so Goku would be annoyed & consider the fight not fun while Vegeta would be pissed facing someone who fights like a "coward".

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#71660: Dec 13th 2017 at 6:23:37 PM

Poor showing though they may have had, Universe 4's final trio of warriors at least had techniques that compensated for their lower power levels and required thinking around.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#71661: Dec 13th 2017 at 6:24:31 PM

Why is Satan a Super Saiyan?

They're apparently adding cosmetic costumes for the non-CaCs.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#71662: Dec 13th 2017 at 6:24:51 PM

There is no suit in conception that would let Batman fight evenly with Goku at .... nearly any point in his career after training with Master Roshi.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#71663: Dec 13th 2017 at 6:35:26 PM

Well not evenly but he was something that can help him get a good punch in. The Hellbat suit introduced in the Batman and Robin comic where in a quest to revive his dead son Bats invades Apokolips & battles Darkseid.

Though he did not win he simply survived only getting a couple good blows & then leaving once he got what he wanted after almost dying.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#71664: Dec 13th 2017 at 6:37:08 PM

Poor showing though they may have had, Universe 4's final trio of warriors at least had techniques that compensated for their lower power levels and required thinking around.

Didn't mean a whole lot in the end though, but they get rid of Piccolo so...yay?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#71665: Dec 13th 2017 at 6:39:18 PM

Most fights have viable strategies in them.

And in real life, defining strength is a lot harder so you can't definitely say what level is 'twice' as strong as another person. It's not sometjing you'd see often in professional fighters due to weight classes though.

You also don't have superhuman strength in real life. Once you add that in, the limits for differences in strength become a lot bigger than what you'd see for real life fighters and 'skill' doesn't cover the same gap.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71666: Dec 13th 2017 at 6:43:59 PM

Oh yeah weight classes.

Thats how official fights go.

Damn this tournament really is just one big-ass street brawl.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#71667: Dec 13th 2017 at 6:44:07 PM

Speaking of strength, can someone explain to me the rationale for Yakon > Frieza? I've seen this on several "tier lists" but I'm not sure where it comes from, considering it'd contradict Frieza being the strongest mortal. Was it just that Shin seemed afraid of him?

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#71668: Dec 13th 2017 at 6:47:14 PM

Shin would be afraid of a twig if he thought it would wake up Buu.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#71669: Dec 13th 2017 at 6:47:38 PM

Prolly

A lot of people are of the opinion that base Goku surpassed Freeza and sometimes Piccolo/Kaioshin as well

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#71670: Dec 13th 2017 at 7:04:14 PM

It wouldn't surprise me if he did.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#71671: Dec 13th 2017 at 7:05:52 PM

Shin is still a god, even if he's a weak one. I feel even weaker gods are stronger than Freeza to some extent.

Also, re-reading the Universe 6 Tournament arc...huh, Vegeta's final push to Cabba to turn Super Saiyan is the same exact line he used when he killed Nappa, he even tried to kill him the same way.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#71672: Dec 13th 2017 at 7:11:06 PM

[up][up] Even before BOG, I never got the impression he did, though he'd be getting close toward the end.

But it's not necessary for hus base form to surpass Freeza for the manga's escalation.

I find it odd that Toriyama had BOG establish that base Goku didnt surpass Freeza, but jumped right to having ROF Goku surpass a powered-up Freeza without either's new forms.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#71673: Dec 13th 2017 at 7:11:54 PM

That's when we were under the impression that Saiyan Beyond God was still a thing.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#71674: Dec 13th 2017 at 7:19:57 PM

Shin is definitely stronger than Frieza. He stated that all the Supreme Kais could defeat Frieza in one hit.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#71675: Dec 13th 2017 at 7:23:03 PM

Well...before ROF anyway.

Its funny how Freeza broke the power scaling not once, but twice lol.

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