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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#71626: Dec 13th 2017 at 4:03:18 PM

Oh my god they might even make U Gohan weaker than SS 3 Goku lol

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#71627: Dec 13th 2017 at 4:04:37 PM

[up] As if they couldn't make Gohan even more pathetic.

"Mai waifu."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#71628: Dec 13th 2017 at 4:08:14 PM

At the very least, Goku will probably use SSG instead of SS 2 lol and then go Blue for the final blow.

Its occurred to me that Vegeta is the only one in the manga who still talks up Gohan's abilities as he was the one who made the suggestion to recruit him and how powerful he'd be if got back in shape.

My headcanon of Vegeta being the strict Uncle to Gohan only gets more credible.

edited 13th Dec '17 4:08:28 PM by BlackYakuzu94

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#71629: Dec 13th 2017 at 4:28:54 PM

Just because someone is weaker than you doesn't mean they can't help you out.

I'm pretty sure it does mean they can't help you. Rest assured, if you have some kind of fancy technique that works around pure power, the other guy will still just overpower you if he's faster, stronger and overall has a higher ki.

Its just the things covered by the Anime, including Goku finding 17. They spar, but Goku uses SS 3 instead of Blue.

Not yet cuz no translations, but the implication is that 17 can keep up with SS 3 but not SSB. That would be consistent with how them manga portrays the god forms as extremely powerful. Wouldn't be surprised if Goku refrains from using SSB against Gohan when they spar.

Ok, that makes more sense. Well, ok, 17 still levelled up pretty high just from beating up fricking poachers, but at least the manga treats Blue and God as the high level forms they should be.

Oh my god they might even make U Gohan weaker than SS 3 Goku lol

Pretty sure they won't sink that low.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#71630: Dec 13th 2017 at 4:30:39 PM

So anyway, on the episode that is all about stopping Gawasu's assassination and I have to say the guy really comes across as kind of an idiot. He's blinded by love, I'm sure, but still.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71631: Dec 13th 2017 at 4:32:36 PM

Huh the manga is more consistent.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#71632: Dec 13th 2017 at 4:33:32 PM

I'm pretty sure it does mean they can't help you. Rest assured, if you have some kind of fancy technique that works around pure power, the other guy will still just overpower you if he's faster, stronger and overall has a higher ki.

Ah yes, I forgot that Dragon Ball works differently from real life, where beating a guy who's twice as strong as you is actually possible.

De Romanīs, lingua Latina gloriosa non fuī.
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#71633: Dec 13th 2017 at 4:36:51 PM

Oh yeah and having given Future Mai a chance, I have to say that the arc would probably be better without her or, at the very least, it would not be worse.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#71634: Dec 13th 2017 at 4:37:34 PM

I'd say her best moments are closer to the middle/end of the arc.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71635: Dec 13th 2017 at 4:39:18 PM

[up][up][up] Batman could win on technique though he'd need the Hellbat suit or the Doomsday virus to close the gap in strength.

edited 13th Dec '17 4:39:29 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#71636: Dec 13th 2017 at 4:52:16 PM

I still think Future Mai having a mecha made by Bulma would've been rad.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71637: Dec 13th 2017 at 5:04:16 PM

Wait a minute I just thought of something.

Where is dub Black's finalized voice gonna premiere first: Fighter Z or Toonami?

edited 13th Dec '17 5:05:54 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#71639: Dec 13th 2017 at 5:12:12 PM

Batman's a fictional character in a universe that is way less consistent about its powers and has a lot of shilling and creator backing on his side.

Edit: I also agree Mai wasn't needed in the Future Trunks arc. She adds nothing and overshadows future Bulma.

edited 13th Dec '17 5:13:15 PM by Saiga

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#71640: Dec 13th 2017 at 5:13:01 PM

[up][up]Not unless dub Black is going to sound like Batman or have a posh British accent, it's not.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71641: Dec 13th 2017 at 5:15:39 PM

[up][up] I'm basing that statement off The Dark Knight Returns version where he faces off against an opponent explicitly stated to be his physical superior yet won through trickery & skill.

[up][up][up] I recall Xenoverse 2 was not the final voice for the character & it was getting the final touches for the anime premiere of the Black Goku arc.

edited 13th Dec '17 5:16:17 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#71642: Dec 13th 2017 at 5:15:43 PM

[up]x5: No confirmed date for Toonami dub (Copy Vegeta arc ends on Dec 30th), but I assume the Future Trunks arc will start somewhere in January. So, around the same time as Fighter Z's January 26th release?

Also, we're on the assumption that Schemmel (Black) and James Marsters (Zamasu) have revised their performances with the full arc in their hands.

edited 13th Dec '17 5:19:19 PM by XMenMutant22

Envyus Since: Jun, 2011
#71643: Dec 13th 2017 at 5:17:26 PM

[up]Zamasu is stated to have a different voice actor.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#71644: Dec 13th 2017 at 5:21:54 PM

Future Mai doesn't really detract from the arc, so I have no problem with her presence. I do agree that Future Bulma is generally forgotten about which is...jarring to say the least.

And Black's reveal for Fighter Z sure was timed well. The release of it will coincide with his dub debut. I guess they'll reveal Zamasu and Gowasu's voices close to the release.

edited 13th Dec '17 5:22:32 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#71645: Dec 13th 2017 at 5:22:21 PM

I think the finalized Black voice will probably be closer to his XV2 Rose voice, if not exactly the same. It just fits way too well and so long as Zamasu has a similar accent, I'm perfectly fine with it.

This song needs more love.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71646: Dec 13th 2017 at 5:23:35 PM

[up][up] Heh indeed.

January will be the month of Black. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#71647: Dec 13th 2017 at 5:36:15 PM

I heard it from Chris Sabat himself (Convention Panel) that Goku Black and Zamasu will have different voices than they had in Xenoverse 2. Those were placeholders.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#71648: Dec 13th 2017 at 5:37:40 PM

I think that was just in reference to Zamasu, I doubt they would get someone else for Black. That and I wanna hear how Sean does the character and how it compares to Nozawa's.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71649: Dec 13th 2017 at 5:40:30 PM

Well their not gonna change Black's VA, the whole point is he's still Goku.

I think its just the specific voice itself in how Sean talked is gonna be modified.

edited 13th Dec '17 5:42:13 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#71650: Dec 13th 2017 at 5:40:57 PM

No, he said Black's voice was a placeholder too... they're still using Sean Schemmel, obviously, but he's using a different voice.


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