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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#71601: Dec 13th 2017 at 7:34:32 AM

The combos get more distinctive with experience (especially once people start understanding how easy the “bread and butters” are to counter), but yes - much like MVC there’s a basic style of gameplay that most of the characters - particularly the earlier revealed ones - share.

[up] My take on Merged characters is that, much of forms/transformations, it’s a function of distinctiveness and iconic...ness. Much like they’re not transformations / forms as a progression and picking the characters at primarily iconic points, they seem to be doing the same for fusions.

Gotenks’ fighting is much more distinctive than either Goten and Trunks, so he’s in and they’re not. The heroes spend the entire arc fighting Black w/ Zamasu, with Merged Zamasu only popping up at the end (with incredibly broken abilities at that), so we get them like that.

On that note, the only fusion we’re likely to see in addition to their components is Vegeto, since obviously Goku and Vegeta have years of developed styles and moments that are distinct from their fused form (and are the protagonists), while Vegeto himself also has iconic moments attached to him as well (especially if they composite him with Gogeta).

Both Caulifla and Kale are offshoots of characters that already exist (the same reason we’re not getting Cabba) and while her time was shorter Kefla showed herself to be more distinctive then either, with one of the biggest, hypest sequences in the TOP attached to her, so to me she seems more likely than them separately.

edited 13th Dec '17 7:57:07 AM by KnownUnknown

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#71602: Dec 13th 2017 at 9:07:48 AM

In addition to the FighterZ stuff, a character who is very likely Towa and Mira's son was also confirmed for Xenoverse 2.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#71603: Dec 13th 2017 at 9:20:37 AM

So the Joffrey of Xenoverse?

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71605: Dec 13th 2017 at 9:37:39 AM

He looks like a nerd.....

And a hipster.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Larfleeze Agent Orange Since: May, 2009
Agent Orange
#71606: Dec 13th 2017 at 10:31:32 AM

JUST like Joffrey.

Do you know what people want the most? Something somebody else has.
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#71607: Dec 13th 2017 at 11:23:17 AM

Also, why did Zamasu need to learn how to use Goku's body better when he was already using it better than Goku did? In base he was on par with SS or SS2 Goku, not sure which.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#71608: Dec 13th 2017 at 11:34:44 AM

Well, he's using the Godly Ki base state all the time, which should be stronger than Super Saiyan 3.

edited 13th Dec '17 11:36:39 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#71609: Dec 13th 2017 at 11:40:43 AM

So you're saying that Goku actually loses power every time he transforms into a Super Saiyan? I, um, don't believe that.

edited 13th Dec '17 11:41:03 AM by Arha

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#71610: Dec 13th 2017 at 11:41:39 AM

And the Anime is pretty derp about power levels. Base Black is on par with SSB Vegeta, but he's weaker than both Goku and Vegeta overall in the manga.

Before getting Rose anyway

edited 13th Dec '17 11:42:28 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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#71611: Dec 13th 2017 at 11:48:28 AM

[up][up]Basically:

Normal base -> Super Saiyan

Godly Ki base -> Super Saiyan Blue

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#71612: Dec 13th 2017 at 12:24:13 PM

[up][up] The manga also has an actual friggin explanation for SSR: it's the affect of a Kai's soul/mind using the equivalent of the SSB transformation.

edited 13th Dec '17 12:24:33 PM by Sigilbreaker26

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#71613: Dec 13th 2017 at 12:32:43 PM

Base Black is Super Saiyan 2 tier in the anime, yes.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#71614: Dec 13th 2017 at 12:36:23 PM

He's supposedly that strong in the manga too, according to Trunks, but they fuck it up by having Vegeta overpower him while they're both using Super Saiyan 2.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#71615: Dec 13th 2017 at 12:37:12 PM

@Arha The anime never explains what's going on with base Goku's wildly inconsistent showings.

Some fans came up with the 'two base theory' which was that Goku can choose to channel God ki in his base form, becoming more powerful than his Super Saiyan forms without a visual change or any cue that he was doing so. It's never been confirmed by the show or anything else, and still isn't consistent even if it were.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#71616: Dec 13th 2017 at 1:18:32 PM

New Heroes news has come as well!

  • Jiren with a Vermoud summon
  • Super Saiyan 3 TP Goku with a Shenron ability
  • Ultra Instinct Goku/Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta Team Attack
  • Super Saiyan 4 TP Vegeta
  • Super Saiyan 4 TP Goku that can become Super Saiyan 4 TP Gogeta
  • A character yet to appear in Dragon Ball Super (SP-type card)
  • Super Saiyan 3 Time Breaker Time Patrol Bardock (wut)
  • Halo Supreme Kai of Time (the form Merged Zamasu had)
  • Gold cards for the masked time breakers

Things are gonna get crazy for Mission 8!

edited 13th Dec '17 1:18:41 PM by Rinsankajugin

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#71617: Dec 13th 2017 at 2:56:49 PM

Unless Vermoud is using a Hakai, I fail to see how summoning him is supposed to help Jiren all that much, considering Jiren is stronger than Vermoud.

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#71618: Dec 13th 2017 at 3:00:21 PM

Just because someone is weaker than you doesn't mean they can't help you out.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71619: Dec 13th 2017 at 3:06:56 PM

Huh ya know considering how almost everyone is dead & the tournament is almost over I figured I might as well ask this fun question.

Out of all the contestants of the To P & your free to not answer this if you barely remember any of these people to begin with which character's design do you just like?

This does not involve actual character, roles, or even powers. Just who do you think looks a little cool, whether it be a blind robe wearing wolf to a cute rabbit girl to a little imp with horned ears?

Simply put, what aesthetically pleased you to the barest minimum?

edited 13th Dec '17 3:33:10 PM by slimcoder

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#71620: Dec 13th 2017 at 3:30:48 PM

In no order:

1. Hop

2. Su Roas

3. Caulifla

4. Ganos

5. Maji Kayo

6. Dercori

7. Caway

8. Android 17... okay, Dr. Rota

Those are the biggest ones.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#71621: Dec 13th 2017 at 3:31:11 PM

Ok, so since we've been avoiding it. The manga chapter has leaked.

Its just the things covered by the Anime, including Goku finding 17. They spar, but Goku uses SS 3 instead of Blue.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#71622: Dec 13th 2017 at 3:31:32 PM

Rozie, Jimmies, Rabanra, Zarbuto, Maji=Kayo, Katopesla, Ganos, Majora, Monna, Shantza, Caway, Damon, Kafla, Pirina, Saonel, Dr. Rota, Bergamo, Basil, Lavender, Sorrel, Chappil, Obuni, Zoiray, Tupper, Dyspo and Jiren were all pretty interesting design wise.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#71623: Dec 13th 2017 at 3:36:03 PM

[up][up]Interesting. Do they still both say that they're holding back?

I thought all the new designs were pretty strong. None of them seemed generic or forgettable, and I've looked at all of the Team line-up images enough to remember all of them immediately. Universe 2 really gave off the feeling of a magical girl universe. U3's robots are great and Maji=Kayo is a personal favorite of mine. U4 had a bunch of neat designs and of them, Nink, Monna, Darkori (especially her true form), and Ganos all stood out. U6 had the new Saiyans, Namekians, and Dr. Rota, who looked interesting. U9's designs alone really sold the idea of: "edgy universe but everyone is poor and grew up in the slums".

U10, while we were promised all muscle-men, we got more than just that, and Lilibeu's design is pretty great. Jim's design is still one of my favorites. His outfit reminds me a little of the landlord from Kung Fu Hustle, and I love picturing how he got recruited to the Tournament of Power. I'm imagining a scenerio where they're looking for fighters and one of them happens to know this one guy who's pretty strong and can fly. They go to his house and he's just sitting there in his recliner, wearing his white undershirt and watching TV. He doesn't even change clothing, he just goes to the tournament wearing that.

Honestly, the fact that all the fighters from U11 are Pride Troopers wearing the same uniform made its fighters fairly uninteresting initially, but they made up for it by having them all have unique species and powers.

In terms of powers, I've found that Prum is actually one of the more interesting ones to me recently. He looks like just a pink blob of sludge, but his body can refract, reflect, and absorb Ki blasts. He can also detach small chunks of his body, like Buu, and make them float around, even in an environment where flight is supposed to be impossible. He can also see out of these orbs, but only in infrared. Harmila may have had the power of the sniper duo, but Prum was definitely the brains of the operation. All Harmila had to do was shoot him occasionally, while Prum had to position his body around the battlefield to reflect the beam in order to shoot their target.

edited 13th Dec '17 3:37:22 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#71624: Dec 13th 2017 at 3:53:04 PM

I haven't said anything about the manga because there are no translations yet.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#71625: Dec 13th 2017 at 4:01:22 PM

[up][up] Not yet cuz no translations, but the implication is that 17 can keep up with SS 3 but not SSB. That would be consistent with how them manga portrays the god forms as extremely powerful.

Wouldn't be surprised if Goku refrains from using SSB against Gohan when they spar.

edited 13th Dec '17 4:02:14 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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