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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#71401: Dec 10th 2017 at 12:52:28 PM

"They didn't get completely wiped out by Goku and company despite lacking any of the firepower to challenge Goku during his absolute weakest state"

The first arc of dragonball is more of a gag manga parody of Journey to the West than a shonen. Remember, they got beaten by Oolong wishing for panties.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#71402: Dec 10th 2017 at 12:54:31 PM

English Super episode 43:

For the first time in Dragonball history, somebody bosses around Chi-chi. I'd totally forgotten that Piccolo is basically boss when it comes to Pan, moreso than Chi-chi.

One Strip! One Strip!
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#71403: Dec 10th 2017 at 12:55:10 PM

Piccolo's not only Gohan's real dad he's Pan's real mom :P

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#71404: Dec 10th 2017 at 12:55:49 PM

[up]

Whelp, we're all getting set on fire for that one.

Hope you can stand the heat.tongue

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71405: Dec 10th 2017 at 12:56:34 PM

Grandpa, he's Pan's grandpa.

Dude should just sign on as a full-time nanny.

Like he says he has work but what the fuck does he do then?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#71406: Dec 10th 2017 at 12:57:32 PM

I almost felt a bit bad for Piccolo there that Pan bonded to Goku so quickly, but then I thought that Piccolo sort of got forced into that role anyway and I don't really buy him being like that, so I stopped.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#71407: Dec 10th 2017 at 1:07:18 PM

[up][up][up] Wasn't aware it was controversial.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#71408: Dec 10th 2017 at 1:11:49 PM

The "Piccolo is Gohan's real dad" stuff is controversial (because it's bullshit) but we've also argued that into the ground and at this point I don't think anyone is really interested in going over it again.

edited 10th Dec '17 1:12:27 PM by LSBK

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#71409: Dec 10th 2017 at 1:13:29 PM

Put lightly, it's a joke that various rather vocal parts of this forum dislike, primarily for its ubiquity, so referencing it basically always triggers rants and/or arguments.

edited 10th Dec '17 1:13:42 PM by KnownUnknown

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#71410: Dec 10th 2017 at 1:13:57 PM

@Saiga: Being stronger or weaker is part of the issue, but it's not the main one. And your solution runs into the problem of why the stronger characters don't just sweep up the fodder. So you run into nonsensical things like Jiren beating, but not eliminating Kale and then just sitting in his was. Or Goku and Vegeta literally fucking around by not going all out from the getgo.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71411: Dec 10th 2017 at 1:13:58 PM

Was it also a big thing in Japan?

I always assumed it was something joked mostly in the west after TFS popularized it.

edited 10th Dec '17 1:17:54 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#71412: Dec 10th 2017 at 1:16:31 PM

[up][up][up]I think the real issue is that a lot of people take it seriously. If it were just a joke, I doubt anyone would care as much. Though talks about it did go on for too long and get a bit heated at points.

[up]I mean, TFS has nothing to do with Dragon Ball Super, so I guess not.

edited 10th Dec '17 1:19:28 PM by LSBK

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#71413: Dec 10th 2017 at 1:21:56 PM

While not commenting on the Gohan/Goku stuff (apart from saying that the Father_Son Kamehameha is possibly my favourite single DBZ moment) I do think that Piccolo's relationship with Gohan is more developed in a writing sense.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#71414: Dec 10th 2017 at 1:30:25 PM

Goku and Gohan have a great relationship despite Goku's lack of parenting skills, so it amazes me that people think Gohan sees Piccolo as more of a father figure.

I mean for fuck's sake, the Father-Son Kamehameha wouldn't be one of the most iconic moments if they didn't have a good relationship.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#71415: Dec 10th 2017 at 1:32:11 PM

Goku is more like your actual dad, and Piccolo is more like that uncle or teacher who you share a lot of interests with.

I'd say Piccolo influenced how Gohan sees fighting more than Goku did. There's a reason Gohan wore the demon gi to the cell games.

I'd also say it's a lot of the stunts Goku pulls that sort of strain the relationship, culprit number 1 being giving that damn senzu bean to Cell.

edited 10th Dec '17 1:32:57 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71416: Dec 10th 2017 at 1:34:00 PM

Also the fact of the matter is Piccolo is responsible for Goku never being there the first time.

Its even worse in the Abridged where he straight up murders Goku & kidnapped Gohan for more evil reasons.

edited 10th Dec '17 1:34:36 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#71417: Dec 10th 2017 at 1:35:12 PM

But Gohan also looks up to Goku as a hero and savior even as an adult, and he wears Goku's outfit about as much as Piccolo's.

But you're right in that their relationship feels more like an Uncle and Nephew than parent and child.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#71418: Dec 10th 2017 at 1:35:34 PM

Yeah, the whole point of the Gohan/Piccolo relationship is how Gohan sort of redeems Piccolo through the Saiyan arc. Piccolo starts as sort of an asshole (though I'd argue had he not done what he did everyone on the planet would likely be dead anyway).

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#71419: Dec 10th 2017 at 1:36:16 PM

Independent of the actual closeness of Goku's and Gohan's relationship, I do think it would be kind of neat if they showed him fitting into a grandpa roleto Pan more easily than a father role, because Goku had a "grandpa" but never had a "dad".

edited 10th Dec '17 1:37:15 PM by LSBK

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#71420: Dec 10th 2017 at 1:37:47 PM

Goku is not a bad father despite appearances and Dragon Ball being what it is.

"Mai waifu."
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#71421: Dec 10th 2017 at 1:41:12 PM

Goku's done probably... two really shitty things to Gohan and otherwise he's a pretty okay dad.

1. not teleport back immediately post getting instant transmission

2. giving that senzu bean to Cell

But the first one prevents him from having a ton of contact off screen between and during arcs; during the Saiyan saga he's dead, after the Cell Saga he's dead, and so he hasn't spent a lot of time with Gohan really until Gohan had grown up.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71422: Dec 10th 2017 at 1:41:16 PM

[up][up][up] Well he seems to be acclimating pretty well into being a granddad.

That last episode of Super on Toonami was really sweet.

edited 10th Dec '17 1:41:33 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#71423: Dec 10th 2017 at 1:44:34 PM

And ya know GT, where him and Pan are basically the only characters.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#71424: Dec 10th 2017 at 1:48:51 PM

Hey now, Trunks did...stuff sometimes.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#71425: Dec 10th 2017 at 1:53:05 PM

He was a third wheel and you know it.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.

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