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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#71326: Dec 9th 2017 at 8:57:12 PM

Ion!Sodam fought evenly with a pre-Crisis Kryptonian (the very embodiment of Invincible Hero and New Powers as the Plot Demands) and only lost because he got too close to a big polluted steel mill full of lead.

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#71327: Dec 9th 2017 at 9:02:53 PM

Still it be a good fight.

Absorbing an Entity of the Emotional Spectrum is a major power boost.

It would be a visual treatment for sure.[awesome]

[up][up]That may have been an outlier and more to do with general time-space fuckery rather than anything to do with the Supermen's power themselves.

I don't understand, how can one feel vibration of the shockwave if it isn't coming from the source. It wasn't like when Goku fought Beerus in his god form where the universe was in endanger?

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That was that bitch Superboy Prime & that was still an incredibly dumb weakness to have. Not that we can actually select our kryptonite.

edited 9th Dec '17 9:04:31 PM by agent-trunks

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#71328: Dec 9th 2017 at 9:06:50 PM

But yes, the DC top tiers are pretty crazy. Can't see anyone other than Zeno himself being able to take the Thought Robot and the Dark Monitor, for instance.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71329: Dec 9th 2017 at 9:08:21 PM

[up][up] One reason why we don't see Daxamites much.

Heh a Dark Multiverse would be fun.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#71330: Dec 9th 2017 at 9:18:07 PM

Yea let's not turn this into that.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#71331: Dec 9th 2017 at 9:36:06 PM

I thought this episode was pretty good. It was paced a little fast, they should've stretched the U4 fighters to the first half of the next episode. I liked that they called back to the original Invisible Man fight without doing a flashback. U4's elimination could've been more dramatic, but it got a moment of silence. Episode wasn't bad, but it could've been better. I did like the moment when all the fighters stopped and just looked around waiting and searching for Gamisaras.

Odd that they changed Gamisaras' design completely. Gamisaras originally was purple and Damon's twin sister. Gamisaras here was an invisible lizard-like guy. Damon was pretty cool, but he didn't do much for all the offscreen hype, especially for a character in the intro.

edited 9th Dec '17 9:36:20 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#71332: Dec 9th 2017 at 9:41:10 PM

I feel like Damon and Gamisaras both changed a lot from what we initially learned of them. I swear I remember Damon having more abilities.

This song needs more love.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#71333: Dec 9th 2017 at 9:42:36 PM

The original datamine of the website said that he had the ability to shed his skin as an Afterimage and some kind of Kamikaze explosion.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#71334: Dec 9th 2017 at 9:52:16 PM

Where in the world did all of that go?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71335: Dec 9th 2017 at 9:56:22 PM

They ironically decided to rush things & so removed the extra powers so it wouldn't go on long?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#71336: Dec 9th 2017 at 9:57:07 PM

I'm guessing it'll be in the manga.

This song needs more love.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71337: Dec 9th 2017 at 10:01:31 PM

I just realized this & it annoys me.

Cauli & Kale got a whole bunch of episodes devoted to them while everyone else got the short of the end of the stick.

While I like the girls this thought pisses me off. Fucking monkeys steal all the spotlight in the end.

Even Cabba got his own episode though at least that one ended with Frieza kicking his ass.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#71338: Dec 9th 2017 at 10:03:04 PM

The arc is ending in March. There are only three universes, and a grand total of 14 fighters left. So...could this mean that we're getting some post-tournament plot in this arc?

If Goku doesn't think to revive the destroyed universes, I am officially declaring him a Designated Hero who's crossed the Moral Event Horizon

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#71339: Dec 9th 2017 at 10:05:21 PM

because strong fights you can spend more time on than cheap gimmicks. its easier to stretch out a strength battle but u4 is mostly gimmicks and when the gimmick is realized its easy to beat.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#71340: Dec 9th 2017 at 10:19:06 PM

Man, I can't even imagine stretching out U4's crappy gimmicks further.

I do like the way Piccolo and Gohan figured out how the illusions worked from the real ki signatures, though.

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#71341: Dec 9th 2017 at 10:20:37 PM

I liked Goku and 17 taking out Damon together.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#71342: Dec 9th 2017 at 10:25:52 PM

Can we just agree this whole arc was flawed from the getgo?

I knew from the beginning when they were introducing all of these fighters that they were going to just end up being fodder for Universe 7 aside from one or two.

And its sad because a lot of them have pretty cool designs and abilities, but they're underexplored because they're not apart of the universes that matter for this arc, so they're treated as sideshows. Stepping stones for real stars.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#71343: Dec 9th 2017 at 10:28:35 PM

It hadn't really registered with me but Universe 7 has been doing most of the knockouts and they have been the ones finish off every last universe leading to their eliminations.

I supposed it didn't really dong on me because it seems oddly protagonist-centric for a situation like this, but there it is.

Quitelia's reaction was pretty funny though. No quite acceptance or dignity for him after all the smugness.

edited 9th Dec '17 10:29:26 PM by LSBK

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#71344: Dec 9th 2017 at 10:29:05 PM

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You could say that about a lot of characters in DB. Existing just to be beaten by someone else.

I wasn't a big fan of introducing all the universes in this tournament either. But the point is, supposedly, that the tournament isn't everyone vs Goku and Vegeta exclusively. The non-God fighters can be on par with each other, and with the weaker cast members. You just need to stop shoving Goku/Vegeta into every fight, and have characters like Jiren not just sit around doing nothing.

Yes, but that's not what they are doing. Toriyama mostly seems to use other characters to hype up Goku's big fights. Lets face it: everyone else, even his allies are just fodder to be beaten so as to show why only Goku can hope to stop the main foe of whatever arc they are in. Cell was the lone exception, and as soon as he got the opportunity, Toriyama back pedalled on that.

One Strip! One Strip!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#71345: Dec 9th 2017 at 10:35:37 PM

The fact that it was Universe 7 vs everyone else also annoyed me, but let's be real, with all these new characters in this big battle royale there wouldn't be much emotional investment in watching completely unknown characters fight each other, so it's mostly U 6 and U 7 fighting.

But the whole "everyone takes issue with Goku/sees Gokus power ahead of time" is actually a pretty good way to justify ganging up on Universe 7 (and Universe 11, who could then use that to build more hype and do something) but they haven't really used that as much as they should.

You know what would be cool? If both Goku and Jiren had been exhausted after their first battle, and both were picked on by other universes at the same time so they ended up unintentionally working together to hang on until they can finish their fight.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#71346: Dec 9th 2017 at 10:37:54 PM

I like the idea of Universe 4: a universe where all the fighters are weak tricksters with powerful gimmicks, but the writers should've dropped the "weak" part for U4's best fighters. As it stands, Monna was their strongest fighter by far, when Damon really should've been their ace in the hole. Ganos had potential to grow super strong, but he was eliminated before he had the chance.

edited 9th Dec '17 10:38:13 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#71347: Dec 9th 2017 at 10:46:03 PM

With how weak the other fighters are, would they even stand a chance against exhausted Goku and Jiren? Kale and Caulifla couldn't even beat a tired Goku 2v1.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#71348: Dec 9th 2017 at 10:47:03 PM

[up][up][up] The problem is that Universe 7 has never actually been in any real danger. Any setbacks they've suffered has been mostly due to trickery, someone sacrificing themselves to eliminate them, or just dropping out due to exhaustion after already having eliminated a decent number of fighters.

Hell, despite the series keep on telling us that Goku is "exhausted", he's still fighting as if nothing is wrong and even eliminated two of the strongest fighters in the tournament single handily.

Universe 7 is a collective Invincible Hero in this arc, so the other universes ganging up on them loses meaning when they're too ineffectual to actually be any sort of threat. Jiren and Toppo are the only ones who seem to pose any sort of threat, but they're barely done anything....In fact, I don't think either of them eliminated a single contestant.

edited 9th Dec '17 10:47:16 PM by BlackYakuzu94

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#71349: Dec 9th 2017 at 10:49:50 PM

Yea, it was like he was never tired to begin with.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#71350: Dec 9th 2017 at 10:50:44 PM

[up][up][up] Well, stuff like Goku being able to use his regular base to keep up with SS2 Kale shouldn't happen. And it doesn't help that they're being very weird about Goku's stamina issues.

It's totally possible for the two of them to be weakened enough that other characters are a threat. Their exhausted state can be anywhere between "0/dead" and their max, there's no limit to how weak they can get from being worn out.

edited 9th Dec '17 10:50:51 PM by Saiga


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