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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#71101: Dec 8th 2017 at 7:36:49 PM

I think Broly's moves keep things entertaining enough, though there are obvious lulls in the action and things are too repetitive to last as long as they do.

I think Movie 4 has my favourite dub score. That worked really well IMO.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#71102: Dec 8th 2017 at 7:46:41 PM

I never quite understood the Broly hate myself. Not that he's an amazing character or anything, but there wasn't anything particularly wrong with the character himself. It feels more like he was hated as a direct backlash to how popular he was becoming.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Rynnec Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#71103: Dec 8th 2017 at 7:48:21 PM

I think it may be more to due with his Wolverine Publicity as well as how much his fans tend to wank him. Not that that's unique to Broly alone, but there you go.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71104: Dec 8th 2017 at 7:50:28 PM

He basically suffers from what Batman & Wolverine go through.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#71105: Dec 8th 2017 at 7:51:04 PM

Thats what I meant by backlashing against his own popularity. But yea, the amount of attention he gets is rather...ridiculous lol. And then you have things like Dragon Ball Multiverse wanking his power level to dumb levels. But that shit always felt harmless to me.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#71106: Dec 8th 2017 at 7:51:16 PM

It's entirely because Broly isn't a good character to being with, yet kept showing up in Dragon Ball media regardless that he grew an anti-fandom to counter his surprisingly large fanbase. So, no shit he's hated because he somehow got popular.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#71107: Dec 8th 2017 at 7:53:31 PM

As Dragon Ball Z Abridged says: "He's so cool, but he's so goddamn dumb."

The legend has returned.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71108: Dec 8th 2017 at 7:54:11 PM

Then theres Heroes constantly giving him new forms especially his newest one with a dumbass long name.

Broly is a perfectly decent character & can be quite fun but overexposure can ruin even the best characters.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#71109: Dec 8th 2017 at 7:56:22 PM

If he kept showing up, wouldn't that mean he was popular in some shape or form? In any case, most of his appearances are harmless sooooo *shrug*

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#71110: Dec 8th 2017 at 7:58:41 PM

Broly is basically what Sword Art Online is to the modern anime fan. A case study of why something being popular doesn't mean its actually good.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#71111: Dec 8th 2017 at 7:59:37 PM

Didn't the writer of one of the Broly movies get some bad press for saying Beerus is/should be weaker than Broly, or something like that?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#71112: Dec 8th 2017 at 8:00:28 PM

You don't need Broly for that. You just need to understand subjectivity, which much of his hatedom seems to struggle with.

[up] That's not quite what he said, he just wasn't impressed by Beerus' appearance. Koyama was always about making the characters look physically powerful, and trying to outdo that with each iteration.

edited 8th Dec '17 8:01:34 PM by Saiga

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#71113: Dec 8th 2017 at 8:00:29 PM

[up][up]I don't know if there was any observable backslash to that, but he did state something to that effect.

edited 8th Dec '17 8:05:29 PM by VeryMelon

Rynnec Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#71114: Dec 8th 2017 at 8:03:48 PM

That was Toyotaro I believe, who's currently in charge of the Super manga.

I don't think any of us are saying Broly's "good" per se, just that he's over-hated to an extent.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#71115: Dec 8th 2017 at 8:04:19 PM

Regardless of how any of us personally feel about it, if it's popular enough then that means it resonated with people regardless of it's shortcomings.

Dragon Ball itself isn't exactly perfect, but it's one of most the known and popular forms of media today. Broly is the same. Even if he is a shit character, obviously that wasn't enough to stop him from being among the most known characters across the fandom.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#71116: Dec 8th 2017 at 8:05:53 PM

Broly's anti-fans mostly dislike his fanbase in all honestly. Talking up something people don't find good is a fast way to earn dissenters, especially if that fanbase happens to get really loud about it.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#71117: Dec 8th 2017 at 8:05:57 PM

[up][up][up] No it was Koyama, the writer for the Broly movies.

edited 8th Dec '17 8:06:57 PM by Saiga

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71118: Dec 8th 2017 at 8:10:28 PM

People always resent whats popular.

I've seen a common thing is that when for example an anime gets too popular & well-liked you always get those people who ask "how can this be popular when I think it sucks" completely not understanding that people can have different tastes & can like different shit.

They are another brand of annoying fuckers infesting the internet.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#71119: Dec 8th 2017 at 8:12:19 PM

That's a mixed bag. Sometimes I can understand the Hype Backlash, sometimes I don't agree.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#71120: Dec 8th 2017 at 8:15:14 PM

I try to keep in mind that what is and isn't to my personal tastes doesn't necessarily coincide with quality. It helps with staying away from Hype Backlash, I think.

edited 8th Dec '17 8:15:41 PM by LSBK

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#71121: Dec 8th 2017 at 8:16:54 PM

People don't mind Broly's lack of character because he is very very good at beating the shit out of people and that's fun to watch. See also: Jiren.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#71122: Dec 8th 2017 at 8:18:55 PM

When people can't stop singing the praises of something, people will naturally try to be contrarian and downplay it's positives while overplaying it's negatives. Its why tropes like Accentuate the Negative exists.

So yea, Hype Backlash is the culprit here. No matter who you are, hearing how amazing something is when you don't care for it will actively cause you to resent and dislike it over time.

edited 8th Dec '17 8:19:11 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#71123: Dec 8th 2017 at 8:20:02 PM

I dislike Broly mainly because he gets more exposure than the other movie villains true, but I also think qualitively he's the worst since there's nothing that really sets him apart. Most of them have at least one gimmick that puts them above him.

Lord Slug pulls out the wonderful Namekian tricks like growing large. Turles is an evil version of Goku. Cooler is pretty damn cool (at least in his first appearance). Dr. Wheelo has a really unique design, and so does Hirudegarn. Janemba has really fucking cool powers. Garlick Jr... well, his actual movie is quite decent, and his tiny form looks very classic Dragonball. Beerus is goddamn amazing; if it was the guy who made Broly who bashed him he needs to sit down and take notes because Beerus is way more threatening than Broly ever was while also being super entertaining.

The only one who's as boring as Broly I think is Super Android 13 and he's at least got the hilarious accent in the dub.

edited 8th Dec '17 8:21:25 PM by Sigilbreaker26

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#71124: Dec 8th 2017 at 8:23:10 PM

[up] Turles has been surpassed by Black.

Just saying, not that it wasn't hard but still.

[up][up] Then there's the opposite where if a show is shit upon so much a bunch of defenders come in. See recent example of that in Black Clover.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#71125: Dec 8th 2017 at 8:24:50 PM

That Black Clover has *any* defenders absolutely baffles me. It's like someone was trying to make a design document for a shonen template and then that got turned into a manga series.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"

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