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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#70851: Dec 5th 2017 at 9:19:43 PM

[up] Yep, pretty much that. Also, suddenly revealing the hero was an alien all along, while not immediately bad, kickstarted a whole unfortunate anime trend. "You were secretly half-demon all along!" "You were secretly a reincarnation of a powerful figure all along!" "You were secretly a...." ... hell, Ichigo pulls this trick four fucking times.

It created this crutch of having asspull powerups come out of nowhere.

edited 5th Dec '17 9:20:17 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#70852: Dec 5th 2017 at 9:23:12 PM

Pfffffffft

There is no way DB started that. That is like, stone age shit

Anyway I see absolutely no reason to care what race got what unless this was an RPG and they offered variety. The DB races don't need that

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#70853: Dec 5th 2017 at 9:24:23 PM

[up] It'd reduce homogeneity, for one. Add more variety.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#70854: Dec 5th 2017 at 9:24:41 PM

Name a predecessor?

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#70855: Dec 5th 2017 at 9:25:15 PM

It would make the Xenoverse games more interesting.

De Romanīs, lingua Latina gloriosa non fuī.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#70856: Dec 5th 2017 at 9:25:21 PM

[up][up][up][up]What other thing did the "surprise heritage reveal to justify a power-up" before Dragon Ball?

edited 5th Dec '17 9:25:44 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#70857: Dec 5th 2017 at 9:26:20 PM

Hey 12 Universes. Introduce as many species as you want.

I actually want the Trio de Dangers race to be playable solely cause I think wolves are cool.

edited 5th Dec '17 9:26:30 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#70858: Dec 5th 2017 at 9:28:50 PM

Pretty much the majority of mythological heroes who weren't gods were revealed to be part-god at some point if it wasn't already a part of their backstory.

edited 5th Dec '17 9:29:28 PM by LordVatek

This song needs more love.
TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
Don't know how to pilot this thing
#70859: Dec 5th 2017 at 9:30:27 PM

Thinking back on it, I really wish we got shots of U6 just before it was erased in particular, a shot of Sadala and... https://cloudedanime.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/dragon-ball-super-71-17.jpg?w=1200&h= Just would have added that extra punch. But I guess Champa's scene was already dragging out the erasing a bit so slowing it down further might have ruined the scene.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#70860: Dec 5th 2017 at 9:31:01 PM

[up][up][up] That's another thing, bringing the other universes into the equation. Like, before the main characters came along U7's strongest being was a nigh-all powerful demonic genie thing that was sealed away for millennia. Next-strongest down from that was the literal Lord of Demons. But then U11 apparently has random gray alien guys that can somehow just become orders of magnitude stronger than these dreaded archdevils. Where are guys like them in U7?

edited 5th Dec '17 9:31:28 PM by HamburgerTime

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#70861: Dec 5th 2017 at 9:32:49 PM

Was about to use that example.

It's also common to myths from cultures across the world, and Japan has its own versions of that.

'Royal heritage' is narratively the same idea for works and legends without supernatural things and that's super common.

Not many series introduce it as late as DB did, but then very very few series after DB introduce it late either.

[up] The other universes are taking advantage of the fact that they've been off-screen until now and have different races. The U 7 Jiren is Goku.

Wanting U 7 to have random aliens who always fit the current sorting algorithm of threat level is lazy and does not fit what has been established about the universe.

edited 5th Dec '17 9:35:06 PM by Saiga

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#70862: Dec 5th 2017 at 9:32:54 PM

[up][up]Ask Frieza. He probably knows.cool

And by that I mean...

edited 5th Dec '17 9:33:07 PM by HandsomeRob

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#70863: Dec 5th 2017 at 9:34:33 PM

Its not a manga thing, its just a thing.

A tale a Godhood & shit.

Remember that Goku was based on Son Wukong so he was never a natural human.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#70864: Dec 5th 2017 at 9:36:34 PM

Sun Wukong wasn't an alien though...

Goku's elements from that myth were originally just the tail, the power pole, the nimbus and the Oozaru form. He didn't need explaining any more than the Dog King of the world or the talking turtle or the shapeshifting man pig needed explaining.

Goku actually never displays the Zenkai trait in particular until his trip to Namek. He's beaten and left for dead by Taopaipai... and has to train with Korrin to get stronger. He's beaten and left for dead by King Piccolo... and has to use the Ultra Divine Water to get stronger, and so on. Those four elements aside, Goku never displayed anything truly alien, and even those were relatively normal in regular Dragonball.

edited 5th Dec '17 9:39:58 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#70865: Dec 5th 2017 at 9:37:43 PM

[up][up]Imagine how different the franchise would be if Goku was born from a magic rock.

edited 5th Dec '17 9:38:37 PM by MightyMatilda

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#70866: Dec 5th 2017 at 9:40:52 PM

Speaking of twelve universes, does that mean that Zen-oh destroyed the zero universe/thirteen universes, the negative one universe/fourteen universes and the negative two/fifteen universes? I thought the paired universes always added up to thirteen. Or was there a universe nine and three quarters and three and one quarter universe?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#70867: Dec 5th 2017 at 9:43:13 PM

[up][up][up] That has nothing to do with the idea that series copied Goku's reveal.

Also, there's plenty of room for him to gain zenkais that are simply insufficient or contributed to his effective gains. Obviously it wasn't planned at that stage, but it isn't contradictory either.

[up] Yeah that's a funny retcon. Easiest explanation was that the universes were renumbered.

edited 5th Dec '17 9:44:01 PM by Saiga

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#70868: Dec 5th 2017 at 9:45:05 PM

Now its there used to be 18 universes in total but Zeno erased 6 of them for whatever reason.

edited 5th Dec '17 9:46:36 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#70869: Dec 5th 2017 at 9:45:54 PM

^ I know, that's what I'm saying. The paired universes were said to always add up to thirteen, but that doesn't fit with eighteen universes unless there are negatives or fractions involved.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#70870: Dec 5th 2017 at 9:47:18 PM

[up] Yeah I misread that there.

[up][up][up] Huh that makes sense.

I mean Zeno is God he can do what he wants & that includes renumbering the multiverse.

edited 5th Dec '17 9:47:28 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#70871: Dec 5th 2017 at 9:50:22 PM

Obviously they used to add up to 19, but Zeno destroyed the three pairs that just so happens to allow them to be renumbered to add up to 13. That probably really is just what happened, I imagine.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#70872: Dec 5th 2017 at 9:53:13 PM

I wonder if the destroyed 6 universes are going to be important to the plot, or if they only exist as background details. Obviously, their purpose is to establish Zeno's power and willingness to destroy, but whether elements from those universes or regarding those universes will ever be important has yet to be seen.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#70873: Dec 5th 2017 at 10:15:12 PM

So we all agree that the Pride Troopers don't hold a candle to the Ginyu Force right?

Cause damn those poses the PT are doing their awful. No uniformity, no synchronization, no heart. Its like just a routine for these guys.

They lack the true passion held in standard by Ginyu & Hell Gohan too.

Its prolly why Jiren doesn't pose, its not that he doesn't want its just the choreography they give him isn't good. tongue

edited 5th Dec '17 10:15:30 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#70874: Dec 5th 2017 at 10:18:40 PM

The Ginyu Force are slightly overrated if you ask me. For all their eccentricity only two of them have interesting powers and they're not even super quirky (give me one character trait from Jeice, seriously).

I know "the TFS versions are always better" isn't exactly a novel opinion but I believe it's really goddamn true for the Ginyu Force.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#70875: Dec 5th 2017 at 10:19:08 PM

Yeah the Pride Troopers being discount Ginyus is just sad. They're not supposed to be evil, the way they acted in their episodes is ridiculous.

Jiren, Toppo and Dyspo don't act like Ginyu-lites, fortunately. Toppo kind of does without being a heel, it's something.

But the remaining members who got fodderized... what a waste of a concept.

[up] They're a quirky miniboss squad and work as a squad. For the small role they had in the plot, they are entertaining and fun.

The TFS versions would be awful in a serious work. Not to mention their Jeice has absolutely no more personality to him.

edited 5th Dec '17 10:20:45 PM by Saiga


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