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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#70301: Dec 2nd 2017 at 4:05:53 AM

Well the fighting mechanics of Jojo.

General insanity & shit.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#70302: Dec 2nd 2017 at 4:10:18 AM

I did try to change the subject back to DBZ fights but to no avail.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#70303: Dec 2nd 2017 at 4:21:48 AM

Suffice to say, Dragon Ball fights aren't Jojo fights and vice versa. Dragon Ball fights tend to get dragged out or are just plain one sided.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#70304: Dec 2nd 2017 at 4:25:59 AM

But at least they aren't mostly explanations...

Isn't that lovely?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#70305: Dec 2nd 2017 at 4:28:24 AM

Hey they do things differently.

Like fucking different styles & shit.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#70306: Dec 2nd 2017 at 4:30:52 AM

Suffice to say, Dragon Ball fights aren't Jojo fights and vice versa. Dragon Ball fights tend to get dragged out or are just plain one sided.

To be fair, just about every fight in anime ever made is technically a Jojo fight, or at least inspired by a Jojo fight.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#70307: Dec 2nd 2017 at 5:16:40 AM

Dragonball fights only lack explanations because there's usually nothing to explain, it's the same shit that's been happening for over three decades. Sometimes that works, like in the early fights or the Saiyan saga ones, but it's been suffering diminishing returns over time.

Not that they lack *exposition* though - usually King Kai, or Master Roshi going "Goku has surpassed limits I didn't think were possible" or the audience going "these are power levels we've never dreamed of". Heck, power levels in general are this. Screw showing someone's powerful, there's a direct numerical readout of how much we're supposed to be afraid of them. Jojo will *explain* things a lot, but only things that are very difficult to show.

As for the "every fight is a Jojo fight" it's more like every fight is a Fist of the North Star fight, and that manga inspired multiple linages. Dragonball went in one route, Jojo after part 1 went in another, and almost every shonen either follows the first route, the second route or a sort of mix, like YYH which has a large Jojo style section for most of the Chapter Black arc but is otherwise clearly inspired by Dragonball Z.

Your basic five most influential shonen are: 1. Fist Of The North Star 2. Dragon Ball 3. Jo Jos Bizarre Adventure 4. Yu Yu Hakusho 5. N Aruto

edited 2nd Dec '17 5:43:23 AM by Sigilbreaker26

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#70308: Dec 2nd 2017 at 5:44:48 AM

I wish they did fights like Goku vs Roshi and Goku vs Tenshinhan more often, where Goku's opponent would constantly be pulling out new and creative techniques and Goku would have to find some way of getting around it or even sometimes inventing a whole new move just to counter the technique.

edited 2nd Dec '17 5:46:23 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#70310: Dec 2nd 2017 at 6:01:28 AM

[up][up] Goku vs. Jackie Chun is one of the most entertaining fights in the entire franchise, in my opinion.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#70311: Dec 2nd 2017 at 7:23:06 AM

I third Jackie Chun V Goku being really amazing - though I like Goku V Tien a teeny bit more mainly because the stakes are a bit higher.

Also, a lot of Jackie's techniques are gags, not to say that's bad, that's part of the charm of the fight and they're very unique, but Tien's moves feel a lot more dangerous.

edited 2nd Dec '17 7:24:02 AM by Sigilbreaker26

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#70312: Dec 2nd 2017 at 7:42:53 AM

As they should...seeing how he was an assassin.

Gotta kill them fools with the volleyball technique.

Performing those assassassinations takes skill.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#70313: Dec 2nd 2017 at 8:09:24 AM

I always forget the volleyball technique, primarily because it's more of a martial arts combination than a Ki attack.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#70314: Dec 2nd 2017 at 8:34:42 AM

Goku vs Jackie Chun and Goku vs Tien (both of them, even if the second one was just him screwing around) were pretty boss fights.

Goku vs Piccolo Jr. was pretty nice as well. Those are probably the best fights of the Pre Saiyan Saga era.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#70315: Dec 2nd 2017 at 8:37:26 AM

Throw in Vegeta vs everyone and Gohan V Cell and you probably have the best fights in the series.

(Though I will tip my hat to Goku V Krillin (22nd Budokai) and Tien V Yamcha for also being pretty good.)

edited 2nd Dec '17 8:38:19 AM by Sigilbreaker26

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#70316: Dec 2nd 2017 at 8:38:56 AM

My personal favorite is Frieza vs Piccolo, the choreography in that fight was impressive and both characters were equals until Frieza transform again.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#70317: Dec 2nd 2017 at 8:42:10 AM

Freeza's transformations are actually quite annoying in how they make basically all the fight up until Goku goes Super Saiyan "Freeza's not actually trying" and post that it's just a curb stomp in the other direction.

With Cell they made the wise choice of making his transformations require input.

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#70318: Dec 2nd 2017 at 8:46:34 AM

That was kind of the point to make Freeza seem legit unstoppable.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#70319: Dec 2nd 2017 at 9:12:30 AM

Nappa was the same but his power level wasn't constantly changing.

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#70320: Dec 2nd 2017 at 9:20:02 AM

Frieza was holding back before Super made it popular.

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#70321: Dec 2nd 2017 at 9:20:33 AM

Goku vs Perfect Cell and Goku vs Kid/Pure Buu are favorites of mine.

edited 2nd Dec '17 9:20:58 AM by Fedetropes

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#70322: Dec 2nd 2017 at 9:25:25 AM

Goku vs Perfect Cell was a great fight. And we all know the reason why:

Ah, the Ocean dub. This was my dub. It's sure seems a little more...lacking than I remember.

You know, I wonder why we don't see Goku using Instant Transmission during a fight more often. He rarely does it, and we now know he can do it while charging an attack. That should have become a staple of his fighting style.

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#70323: Dec 2nd 2017 at 9:27:21 AM

[up] I think it's because his opponent can adapt to it?

I know this is kinda of a bad example, but in GT Super 17 managed to adapt to the instant transmission by his hearing, it only worked once against him and that was when he was distracted.

edited 2nd Dec '17 9:31:49 AM by Fedetropes

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#70324: Dec 2nd 2017 at 10:07:11 AM

I wonder if he can use it with the Spirit Bomb. Warp away to charge it and then warp back to fire it when it's done.

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#70325: Dec 2nd 2017 at 10:16:43 AM

I remember him doing a combo like that( he charged the spirit bomb and then teleported to attack his opponent to make sure they didn't move out of the way).

I remember him doing that in the playdia OVA.

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