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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#70076: Nov 30th 2017 at 8:22:18 AM

Honestly my biggest problem with this isn't that Raditz is apparently strong for a Saiyan it's that apparently Raditz, Nappa, and Vegeta were a team before they were the only Saiyans left in Frieza's army and thus, whoever decided that was a moron. I'm pretty sure Radish would be way more a liability than an asset to those two.

edited 30th Nov '17 8:33:59 AM by LordVatek

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#70077: Nov 30th 2017 at 8:31:08 AM

I honestly think people have let groups like TFS color their perceptions of these characters a bit too much. Raditz was still more than twice as strong than both of the strongest beings on the Earth at the time, and absolutely dominated Goku and Piccolo.

They only won by quick thinking, and even then, Goku had to sacrifice himself to do it. It feels less like Raditz was weak and more that Vegeta and Nappa were just freakishly strong.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#70078: Nov 30th 2017 at 8:35:29 AM

And also, there was luck involved. Gohan's freakout was nothing anyone could have expected and the surprise of it was part of the reason Gohan even got that hit in, and was subsequently weakened enough that Goku's full nelson could even hold him.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#70079: Nov 30th 2017 at 8:36:48 AM

For all we know, the average Freeza Soldier is 200-500 and the cut-off bare minimum for being an upper-level warrior is 700.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#70080: Nov 30th 2017 at 8:41:08 AM

Hell, having a power level of 100 is considered impressive on Earth.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#70081: Nov 30th 2017 at 8:48:52 AM

Impressive? Having a Power Level of 100 makes you the World's Strongest Man! Roshi was known for being the strongest martial artist on Earth before the series started and aside from Taopaipai, they were right!

edited 30th Nov '17 8:49:05 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#70082: Nov 30th 2017 at 9:32:00 AM

If "upper level" is by the standards of the Freeza Force, I can just about buy it. But by the standards of Saiyans? Still no.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#70083: Nov 30th 2017 at 9:33:15 AM

Not Masako's best work, not gonna lie.

edited 30th Nov '17 9:33:30 AM by SonOfSharknado

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#70084: Nov 30th 2017 at 9:35:46 AM

[up][up]You seem to think "Raditz is weak because Raditz is weak because a Power Level of 1,200 is weak for Saiyans because it just is because fuck you".

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#70085: Nov 30th 2017 at 9:37:49 AM

And, again, Raditz didn't have the same power level as the Saibamen. They were close but still weaker than him, and as Pushover brought up, Nappa mentions the soil is good for them to grow so it might not even be normal for them to be that strong.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#70086: Nov 30th 2017 at 9:41:11 AM

That picture. [lol]

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#70087: Nov 30th 2017 at 9:49:31 AM

"What if Nappa turned good?"

I can't see him living past Namek, to be honest. Then again, I've never really cared for Nappa.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#70088: Nov 30th 2017 at 9:50:24 AM

He becomes a movie producer & Mr. Satan's agent. tongue

Though that one was easy really.

edited 30th Nov '17 9:50:45 AM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#70090: Nov 30th 2017 at 9:55:53 AM

Could do without the personal insults. If that's high for a Saiyan then they wouldn't really be that exceptional - Oozaru form aside which has tons and tons of drawbacks.

Yes, he was far far stronger than anyone on Earth but Earth is not a galatic player at all till everyone started settling down there. One of those random namek soldiers who destroyed Freeza's scouters could kill Raditz, I'm pretty sure.

edited 30th Nov '17 9:58:04 AM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#70091: Nov 30th 2017 at 9:58:30 AM

And, again, Raditz didn't have the same power level as the Saibamen. They were close but still weaker than him,

That's from the guidebook, which is a secondary source that conflicts with what the primary source (the manga/show) says. You can't expect everyone to go along with that.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#70092: Nov 30th 2017 at 10:00:41 AM

[up][up][up] But what if this time he donates all his proceeds to charity?

And he didn't screw over Krillen in his movie. tongue

edited 30th Nov '17 10:01:10 AM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#70093: Nov 30th 2017 at 10:01:02 AM

[up][up][up]And the strongest Namekian on Namek was more than 4 times as strong as King Vegeta.

edited 30th Nov '17 10:01:20 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#70094: Nov 30th 2017 at 10:02:00 AM

[up][up][up]Pretty sure that's from Toriyama himself. And yes I can. Pretty sure in the manga they weren't even said to be just as strong as Raditz, again, just around the same strength.

edited 30th Nov '17 10:06:38 AM by LSBK

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#70095: Nov 30th 2017 at 10:05:48 AM

Nail was an outlier for a Namek so I specifically excluded him. I was just comparing Raditz to the average warrior of a race that isn't solely about war.

[up] Either way, it's hardly just an impression caused by memes.

edited 30th Nov '17 10:15:15 AM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#70096: Nov 30th 2017 at 10:10:02 AM

Namekians were noted to be quite strong, though. They aren't a warrior race but they're stronger than most.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#70097: Nov 30th 2017 at 10:15:38 AM

[up][up][up]Okay, but if you tell people "No. Ignore what was clearly stated in the show you watched. You're wrong because of this entry in some obscure interview or guidebook" and expect to be taken seriously, that's not going to go well. Especially because the difference in power after the retcon isn't even that much to begin with, so it comes off like you're trying to shut down people based on semantics.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#70098: Nov 30th 2017 at 10:16:21 AM

Nail was stronger than Vegeta at the time they met, iirc, and definitely outclassed "pre-meeting Goku and friends" Vegeta, putting another nail in his "we Saiyans were the greatest warriors in the galaxy" claims.

edited 30th Nov '17 10:18:32 AM by KnownUnknown

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#70099: Nov 30th 2017 at 10:18:01 AM

Vegeta was an arrogant shit, and was probably fed a lot of propaganda about the awesomeness of his race from his dad.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#70100: Nov 30th 2017 at 10:20:04 AM

The rest of the story kind of proves him right about that though.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"

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