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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#70051: Nov 30th 2017 at 5:41:10 AM

How pathetic must your power level be if your equivalent strength can be grown in some random hick's backyard?

Thing is, that power level still put him far beyond anyone on earth at the time - including Goku.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#70052: Nov 30th 2017 at 6:37:35 AM

An the Saibaman weren't as strong as Raditz anyway. And that they can "grow Raditz" still assumes that Raditz is weak, which isn't something to be automatically assumed. It's a sad day when memes overcome thinking about things.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#70053: Nov 30th 2017 at 6:49:06 AM

A single Saibaman could lolstomp all of Dragon Ball. It's not "Raditz is weak", it's "Saibamen are strong". Also, I thought I remembered something about Earth's soil being good for growing Saibamen. Like, they wouldn't be as strong on other planets or something.

On a gentle environment increasing your S Cell count: I interpreted that a calm and peaceful environment without stress or pain and with ample and healthy food is good for healthy cell division. It's also rather illuminating as to what kind of people in what kind of environment can transform the easiest. Hell, maybe the entire reason Gohan was able to go Super Saiyan 2 was because of the 10 days spent outside the Time Chamber.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#70054: Nov 30th 2017 at 6:52:22 AM

It's a sad day when memes overcome thinking about things.

Can you try being less patronizing?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
felipelight Teacher from Undisclosed Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Teacher
#70056: Nov 30th 2017 at 7:03:38 AM

Zenkai and S-Cells in a healthy environment are like mutually exclusive. Goku was an aberration in that his environment created conditions for both

Fedetropes Call me Blast, not Fedetropes from Doomed universe Since: Dec, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#70057: Nov 30th 2017 at 7:31:05 AM

If S-cells where a thing, why couldn't pan and bulla go super saiyan?

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#70058: Nov 30th 2017 at 7:34:25 AM

Because one of them is a baby while the other is a newborn. Give them time to grow up, they'll transform, don't worry.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#70059: Nov 30th 2017 at 7:37:10 AM

I assume they meant in GT, in which the answer is 1) S Cells weren't a thing until now and 2) that was GT and doesn't matter.

Fedetropes Call me Blast, not Fedetropes from Doomed universe Since: Dec, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#70060: Nov 30th 2017 at 7:44:10 AM

So they're gonna Retcon the end of z to show pan and bulla going SS?

edited 30th Nov '17 7:44:58 AM by Fedetropes

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#70061: Nov 30th 2017 at 7:47:03 AM

Maybe? It's not like we know the future anymore than you do. Besides, this has nothing to do with Pan or Bulla going or not going Super Saiyan anyway.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#70062: Nov 30th 2017 at 7:47:50 AM

Setting aside the whole Saibamen thing, Raditz is still exceptionally weak for a member of Freeza's forces (which he technically is). He's massively below average (which seems to be about a couple thousand) despite being a Saiyan, which gives the benefit of Zenkai boosts and whatnot.

In addition to all that, Raditz is much much worse as an actual martial artist. His techniques are fodder and he's one of the only characters in the franchise to lose a fight despite having the highest single power level on the field - and he lost that fight outright, not via luck.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
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#70063: Nov 30th 2017 at 7:50:55 AM

[up][up] ok, sorry if i sounded aggresive

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#70064: Nov 30th 2017 at 7:52:29 AM

Because Raditz isn't a martial artist, none of Frieza's people were and neither were Nappa or Vegeta. Being a warrior and being a martial artist are not the same thing.

He also wasn't significantly weaker than most of Frieza's other low-level grunts, that and he could transform into an Oozaru. "Raditz is ridiculously weak" just isn't a position that has a lot supporting it in the context of the story that he's in, no matter how you try and spin it.

edited 30th Nov '17 7:52:54 AM by LSBK

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#70065: Nov 30th 2017 at 7:53:41 AM

The two guys Gohan and Krillin beat up on first arrival at Namek were even weaker than Raditz.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#70066: Nov 30th 2017 at 7:57:35 AM

He's definitely weak *for a Saiyan* and that's what we're arguing about. I'm saying that there's no way Raditz is an "upper class warrior".

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#70067: Nov 30th 2017 at 8:00:52 AM

No, he definitely isn't weak for a Saiyan either. There is nothing firmly supporting that either. Nappa and especially Vegeta were not the Saiyan standard.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#70068: Nov 30th 2017 at 8:01:57 AM

If he isn't weak for a Saiyan then there's absolutely no way that Saiyans would become known as the universe's deadliest warrior race.*

  • (Not counting Freeza's race)

edited 30th Nov '17 8:02:34 AM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#70069: Nov 30th 2017 at 8:03:50 AM

Nah, Radditz was totally a scrub.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#70070: Nov 30th 2017 at 8:03:53 AM

Why not? Most life in the universe isn't warrior species and fighters. And, again, Oozaru.

Common fanon perception does not equal fact.

edited 30th Nov '17 8:04:40 AM by LSBK

felipelight Teacher from Undisclosed Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#70071: Nov 30th 2017 at 8:06:31 AM

But saiyans were ALL warriors, even if weak. Don't forget most of freeza's soldiers were genetic aberrations so maybe their races were weak so the saiyans got the warrior race moniker by default

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#70072: Nov 30th 2017 at 8:06:44 AM

Do we have confirmation Raditz can perform the Fake Moon technique?

Because otherwise I don't really input the Oozaru Technique into how threatening he is.

edited 30th Nov '17 8:15:38 AM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
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#70073: Nov 30th 2017 at 8:14:48 AM

So the fanon theory of Goten and Trunks being able to go Super Saiyan because Goku and Vegeta conceived them after the fact ended up being true.

THANKS TORIYAMA

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#70074: Nov 30th 2017 at 8:15:13 AM

Even if he couldn't the planet just having a natural moon is all he needs.

And that's even if the planet is made up of a strong species. Keep in mind that Raditz is at the power level to destroy moons with ease.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#70075: Nov 30th 2017 at 8:16:43 AM

He doesn't just need a natural moon, he needs it to be nighttime. The form also has a bunch of weaknesses, including being really hard to control and the whole tail weakspot.

Also, remember that *Roshi* could destroy a moon and he was what, power level 100 at the time? Less? Anyone Raditz is going to want to use the Oozaru transformation on is going to be able to blow up the moon, so not only does he need

  • a natural moon
  • a specific time of day
  • his tail

he also needs his enemy to not know or figure out either of his form's weaknesses, which both Yamcha *and* Roshi were able to do in a very short timeframe after seeing it, and this form is going to be an inaccurate weapon at best if he can't control it.

edited 30th Nov '17 8:20:35 AM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"

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