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TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
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#70026: Nov 29th 2017 at 10:49:20 PM

[up][up]&[up][up][up][up] Yeah, the logic was U6 Tuffles are evil conquerors since the U6 Saiyans are heroic protectors. Hence why I said the Tuffles would be the aggressors.

[up] It really shouldn't bother me that our only points of reference for tuffles outside 5 seconds of filler are from GT and the Hachiyack special. I honestly thought the filler had the better concept, based on their size compared to the Saiyans, they were like high tech space hobbits and that's a kindof fun idea in itself.

edited 29th Nov '17 10:54:17 PM by TwistedGear

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#70027: Nov 29th 2017 at 10:51:59 PM

[up][up][up]Dunno. Seems like just another Q and A. Also, Toriyama was asked 9 or more questions here, and we only have 3 of them. Saiyan Hierarchy is question 3, S Cells is question 5, and Yamoshi is question 9.

edited 29th Nov '17 10:52:18 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#70028: Nov 29th 2017 at 11:20:16 PM

"Raditz was an upper level warrior..."
-Akira Toriyama (2017)

edited 29th Nov '17 11:22:06 PM by Zeromaeus

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#70029: Nov 29th 2017 at 11:30:15 PM

[up]Different from low-class. Apparently Saiyans are divided into upper and lower warriors, the former of which are allowed to do missions and kill planets, the latter of which are forced to either be noncombat personnel or Infiltration Babies. Upper-level warriors are themselves divided into the classes we know.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#70030: Nov 29th 2017 at 11:35:59 PM

That makes no sense. Toriyama... please. Write things down. Have notes on hand. You sound so dumb.

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TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
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#70031: Nov 29th 2017 at 11:51:21 PM

[up] Makes perfect sense to me, are you sure you haven't made assumptions about the Dragonball cannon that weren't actually true?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#70032: Nov 30th 2017 at 12:07:38 AM

We made the mistake of assuming we could take the manga and Toriyama's word at face value.

Seriously, it does not get much clearer than "Raditz was a low class warrior, Nappa was an elite" being a contradiction to "Raditz was an upper class warrior, in the same group as Nappa".

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#70033: Nov 30th 2017 at 12:20:13 AM

Again, "upper-level". Separate classification.

TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
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#70034: Nov 30th 2017 at 12:25:26 AM

[up][nja]

edited 30th Nov '17 12:26:17 AM by TwistedGear

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#70035: Nov 30th 2017 at 1:03:36 AM

I'm aware of the one different word between them, but acting like they're entirely different things is just being silly. They don't make sense together.

There's absolutely no indication that upper warriors are divided into low class and elites like you said Pushover. That system isn't mentioned at all.

edited 30th Nov '17 1:04:51 AM by Saiga

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#70036: Nov 30th 2017 at 1:40:07 AM

Seems like a really easy assumption to make, since the wording is different and if you assume it's referring to two different things, it doesn't really contradict anything. If Raditz was a lower-level warrior, than he wouldn't have even been a combatant at all, so he must've been an upper-level warrior. All it does it add one more level to the classism of Saiyan society.

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edited 30th Nov '17 1:41:47 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#70037: Nov 30th 2017 at 1:41:37 AM

Maybe low class meant literally lower class. Nappa could be from some Saiyan nobility or something. If you were strong enough you could be an upper level warrior despite being low class.

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#70038: Nov 30th 2017 at 1:50:33 AM

Maybe. Saiyan society being Asskicking Equals Authority would still mean that classes would generally be along Power Level lines, but maybe what class you're in isn't strictly defined just by your Power Level. Hell, that idea is even supported in Bardock: Father of Goku where Bardock is a low-class Saiyan despite having a Power Level rivalling that of the king's, which is 10,000.

edited 30th Nov '17 1:53:12 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#70039: Nov 30th 2017 at 3:07:55 AM

[up][up][up] You seem to keep missing that lower-level warriors can be sent as infiltration babies and become upper-level warriors

[up] He had that after a zenkai, and everything went to shit after that point so it's not like he was classed as low-class WITH that battle power. We don't know what he had before that.

edited 30th Nov '17 3:08:39 AM by Saiga

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#70040: Nov 30th 2017 at 3:32:15 AM

I'm pretty sure whatever the ranking system is Raditz is at the bottom of it.

Seriously, when you can grow warriors as powerful as him....

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#70041: Nov 30th 2017 at 4:22:46 AM

How pathetic must your power level be if your equivalent strength can be grown in some random hick's backyard?

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#70042: Nov 30th 2017 at 4:40:11 AM

Rest in piss Universe 6

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#70043: Nov 30th 2017 at 4:49:13 AM

Going to be honest....I won't really miss them all that much. Maybe we can finally start focusing on cool fights with the other universes now that they're gone.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#70044: Nov 30th 2017 at 5:04:13 AM

There's hardly anyone in the tournament left that's gotten any focus though. We might get a darkhorse fight or so, but there's less than half the time left

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#70045: Nov 30th 2017 at 5:04:17 AM

I will only miss that Super Saiyan thiccness. With Ribrianne gone, the only one left is Jiren.

edited 30th Nov '17 5:05:32 AM by Soble

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#70046: Nov 30th 2017 at 5:14:38 AM

And Jiren is basically the formula boiled down to nothing. He's just strong, no character traits apart from that or even a cool design.

(though I hear Manga!Jiren is more... palatable.)

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#70047: Nov 30th 2017 at 5:18:45 AM

The manga is upfront about what Jiren is like as a person, which is more to my taste than the anime making him a mystery.

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#70048: Nov 30th 2017 at 5:27:38 AM

I don't really find S Cells to be as stupid as midichlorians were. Force was this mystic religious thing and explaining people connection to it with some kind of pseudo science was pointless and stupid. Super Sayian on the other hand is a racial trait, so it seems obvious that theirs a biological basis to it. This is just giving a name for something we all knew had to be there.

Now, I find it a bit weird that apparently gentle living environment helps in becoming a Super Sayian. That one seems counter intuitive at best.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#70049: Nov 30th 2017 at 5:32:01 AM

Maybe a self-defense response? A saiyan in a hostile environment would be getting zenkai boosts to even out their chances for survival. Meanwhile, a saiyan in a peaceful world would need a sudden boost to be able to match any real threat. Maybe.

I'm not sure it was ever thought out that way, but it kinda makes sense. It doesn't really matter. S Cells works as well as push-ups and juice, or any other arbitrary fill-in, as an explanation.

edited 30th Nov '17 5:32:50 AM by Zeromaeus

GOI god of insanity from everywhere/nowhere Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#70050: Nov 30th 2017 at 5:35:29 AM

Acutely I think the gentle living environment makes sense since the body can more easily focus on building up the explosive surge needed for SS instead of needing to expen that same energy just to survive

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