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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#69976: Nov 29th 2017 at 6:15:30 PM

Since lung diseases are not Super Saiyans, ergo they cannot defeat Frieza.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#69977: Nov 29th 2017 at 6:16:52 PM

[up]

Makes sense to me!

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#69978: Nov 29th 2017 at 6:17:34 PM

Lord Freeza is invincible.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#69979: Nov 29th 2017 at 6:24:19 PM

Just in time to celebrate Freeza Day.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#69980: Nov 29th 2017 at 6:25:20 PM

Let's play appropriate music

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#69981: Nov 29th 2017 at 6:27:21 PM

Happy to hear everything went well.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#69982: Nov 29th 2017 at 7:27:04 PM

I'm very happy that Chris is getting better.

On Nappa: I've always been skeptical of that 4,000 number for him. I think 7,000 is more appropriate for his performance against the humans and Goku.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#69983: Nov 29th 2017 at 7:34:56 PM

I'm sorry, you're skeptical of what? The actual, factual numbers in the Daizenshuu? Are they fake news?

My various fanfics.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#69984: Nov 29th 2017 at 7:38:43 PM

And that Nappa could have potentially hurt Goku despite being only half as strong as him isn't that farfetched anyway. Krillin was basically in the same position against Nappa himself and still got in a couple good hits, and of course the Kienzan. As well as Gohan.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#69985: Nov 29th 2017 at 7:44:15 PM

The Daizenshuu also says that Goku didn't get any stronger from the Cell to Buu Sagas, going from 60,000,000 in base and 3,000,000,000 in SS1 in the Cell Saga to 24,000,000,000 in SS3 in the Buu Saga... which still works out to a base of 60,000,000. Yeah, I'm a little skeptical.

edited 29th Nov '17 7:44:34 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Justin_Brett Since: Jun, 2010
#69986: Nov 29th 2017 at 7:50:53 PM

Didn't Nappa focus and power up a bit during his fight with Goku anyway? Not enough certainly, but enough to show he was fooling around a little against the humans.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#69987: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:21:09 PM

[up][up] No it doesn't.

Off the top of my head it sounds like you're referencing the fake battle power list that made the rounds years back. That had CG Goku as 3 bill and SS 3 Goku as 24 bill.

edited 29th Nov '17 8:22:36 PM by Saiga

felipelight Teacher from Undisclosed Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Teacher
#69988: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:21:11 PM

Could Freeza have beaten SSJ Goku had he been not damaged beforehand by the Spirit Bomb?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#69989: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:23:21 PM

[up] Nope. He was signifacntly weaker than Goku at 100% power, even before it started dropping.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#69991: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:40:39 PM

"S Cell"...

Did...

Did Toriyama just straight Midichlorian us?

edited 29th Nov '17 8:41:15 PM by LordVatek

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#69992: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:42:19 PM

So what's Yamoshi a pun on? Yams?

Anywho, I know it's a typo, but the phrase "he was corned" just makes me think that the secret to Super Saiyans was popcorn related all along.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#69993: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:42:56 PM

Maybe. It sounds like something he just came up with in the spur of the moment honestly.

...Is he saying the first known Super Saiyan and the Super Saiyan God are the same dude?

And that Nappa could have potentially hurt Goku despite being only half as strong as him isn't that farfetched anyway. Krillin was basically in the same position against Nappa himself and still got in a couple good hits, and of course the Kienzan. As well as Gohan.

Don't buy it. Once again, Piccolo was at most doing scratch damage when he was much closer to Nappa. Something don't add up.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#69994: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:45:41 PM

[up][up][up] Huh I believe he did.

Damn well this is shocking.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#69995: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:46:09 PM

Yamoshi's name is bean sprouts, aka another goddamn vegetable. tongue

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#69996: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:47:25 PM

Piccolo didn't get many hits in. When he did, he injured Nappa.

When he used a big attack, Nappa dodged it.

Gohan, Piccolo and Kuririn were all able to injure Nappa while below his battle power. It's not as simple as being stronger lets you no-sell the opponents attacks, it depends on the difference in strength and the attack used.

Nappa's strongest attack could injure Goku. A normal KHH from Goku matched it. That's consistent with Goku being stronger (also - we've seen Goku can be injured by his own Kamehameha, so that's also consistent there).

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#69997: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:47:36 PM

Huh. Looked around and the thing I was thinking of was indeed fake.

Still skeptical of any Power Levels listed in any 'official' magazines because they contain such tripe as Popo and King Piccolo being stronger than Kami.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#69998: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:50:27 PM

Those didn't come from the guidebooks. They were a spread in Shonen Jump accompanying the beam struggle of Goku and Vegeta, and appear to be the Saiyan arc incarnations of Popo and God.

Presumably, this is Popo after training with the humans. God's getting old.

Being printed alongside the manga during the manga's original run is pretty legit.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#69999: Nov 29th 2017 at 9:11:24 PM

Yo, what the fuck, that lore though?!

Toriyama straight-up confirmed the "Super Saiyan inheritance" theory.

I'm really confused about Toriyama's wording in the Saiyan story. So Yamoshi, a good Saiyan, fought against evil Saiyans with 5 comrades. Sounds like the Super Saiyan God story. So Yamoshi is cornered and becomes a Super Saiyan, but he's eventually defeated. His dead spirit wanders the Universe looking for 6 good Saiyans, and that somehow leads to Super Saiyan God. Still doesn't address the Super Saiyan 1,000 years ago who destroyed the Saiyan homeworld, but maybe that's just been retconned out of existence. I have to wonder if Toriyama didn't mean to say "Yamoshi became a Super Saiyan God" and his ghost wandering the universe was supposed to not find any other good Saiyans, just manipulate Beerus through his dreams into finding them for him.

Weird, considering I recently was thinking about how I'd do the Super Saiyan God thing and fold it into the original Super Saiyan legend. My idea went like this: 1,000 years ago, a bunch of low-class good Saiyans wanted to fight against the evil Saiyan king. While the king and his elites were attacking a city as Oozaru, the low-class Saiyans had one of their own go Super Saiyan God. The God fights the Oozaru and has the king cornered, but the king goes Super Saiyan. The battle between the two is epic but the God runs out of time and loses. The king then destroys the planet, unable to control his Super Saiyan power.

edited 29th Nov '17 9:42:38 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

DS9guy Since: Jan, 2001
#70000: Nov 29th 2017 at 9:30:52 PM

Because Goku and Chi Chi have Tohoku dialects in the original Japanese, am I the only one who wants to hear Sean Schemmel and Cynthia Cranz talk like hillbillies? It would certainly make Chi Chi's rants about Gohan's education all the more entertaining. [lol]

edited 29th Nov '17 9:35:12 PM by DS9guy


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