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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#69951: Nov 29th 2017 at 6:42:13 AM

We don't know that.

For all we know, having a bigger power level makes you a bigger great ape.

Which would mean Raditz is positively tiny.cool

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#69952: Nov 29th 2017 at 9:03:12 AM

Reminder that Raditz was such a scrub that he didn't even train the weakness out of his tail.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#69953: Nov 29th 2017 at 9:14:16 AM

I think that was supposed to be less about how Raditz sucked and more about how great Nappa and Vegeta were. I don't think training that weakness was supposed to be a common thing, just like Vegeta maintaining control of himself in Oozaru form wasn't supposed to be a common thing.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#69954: Nov 29th 2017 at 9:15:32 AM

Raditz being so weak does really bring up the question again of why Bardock was so strong for a low-class Saiyan. He's 10'000, slightly better than Nappa, who was an elite. You'd think low class Saiyans would be much more like Raditz.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#69955: Nov 29th 2017 at 9:16:35 AM

[up][up]I bring it up because I was rereading a bit of Goku vs Grandpa Gohan and Gohan brings up that Goku should have been training his tail so he wouldn't be helpless when grabbed.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#69956: Nov 29th 2017 at 9:17:33 AM

Would they? Low ranking soldiers would have the most opportunities to get the living crap beat out of them on a regular basis. Zenkai boosts can make for some massive gains.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#69957: Nov 29th 2017 at 9:17:41 AM

Bardock was exceptional for a low-class (scum) Saiyan. And he wasn't slightly better than Nappa, he was more than twice as strong as Nappa.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#69958: Nov 29th 2017 at 9:48:56 AM

Oh right, Nappa was 4000, I don't know why I thought he was 8k, since then he'd be on par with Goku in the original Japanese.

BTW, if Goku was able to train his tail in a few years when he was much, much weaker than Raditz, then yeah, I'd say that reflects badly on Raditz. Why not train to remove your biggest weakness?

edited 29th Nov '17 9:50:51 AM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#69959: Nov 29th 2017 at 9:52:56 AM

Because he was an arrogant idiot.

A smug snake in purest form.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#69960: Nov 29th 2017 at 9:54:11 AM

Honor, I'm guessing. "If you cut this obvious weakness, it makes you a weakling for not dealing with it" sounds like the kind of things the Saiyans would support.

edited 29th Nov '17 9:54:45 AM by KnownUnknown

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#69961: Nov 29th 2017 at 9:59:50 AM

While Saiyan honour is very dumb, even it isn't *that* dumb. They're not Sontarans. More to the point, Vegeta and Nappa have their tails trained, and Vegeta's basically the icon of Saiyan honour (even if it will take another arc or so to really kick in, given all the sneaking he does in the Freeza arc)

I think Smug Snake is a pretty good description of Raditz. In technical ability as opposed to power he's pretty damn weak for a DB villain.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#69962: Nov 29th 2017 at 10:08:29 AM

You know, something I find odd in hindsight is that Goku notes that Nappa almost managed to injure him with his Break Cannon at one point. And that Nappa was able to outfly Goku to Krillin and Gohan without the Kaioken.

Seems kind of inconsistent with how strength differences are portrayed at every other point in the series.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#69963: Nov 29th 2017 at 10:08:31 AM

The only reason why I wouldn't necessarily call Raditz a Smug Snake is that, at the time, he legitimately was a powerhouse in comparison to our protagonists - that smugness is more than justified for the situation he's in, it's just when you look beyond that situation that he turns out to be a joke in comparison. He's more Arrogant Kung-Fu Guy.

edited 29th Nov '17 10:08:47 AM by KnownUnknown

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#69964: Nov 29th 2017 at 10:09:35 AM

Who isn't an AKFG in Dragon Ball?

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#69966: Nov 29th 2017 at 10:27:43 AM

The reason I'd stick with Smug Snake is that power is *all* Raditz has. He's a terrible combatant, one of only a scarce few examples of a character in Dragonball losing despite having the highest single power level on the field by the end - and unlike the other example that springs to mind, Vegeta, he wasn't beaten with the help of a huge amount of luck.

(Also, Gohan has his AKFG moments as well.)

edited 29th Nov '17 10:28:31 AM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#69968: Nov 29th 2017 at 10:32:26 AM

No. He was a normal Super Saiyan if I remember.

He's definitely using the pseudo-Blue form in that fight.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#69969: Nov 29th 2017 at 12:39:54 PM

@Hob That's not really inconsistent. The break cannon was Nappa's strongest attack, and Goku negated it by tossing out a casual Kanehameha. Weaker characters can still injure stronger ones if the gap isn't too big.

Goku may be faster, but that doesn't mean he was fast enough to intercept Nappa when Nappa had the head start on reaching Gohan/Kuririn.

As for Raditz not training his tail, I think it's more likely he didn't know it could be done rather than pride. He was quite young when Vegeta was destroyed, and Vegeta/Nappa looked down on him, so they may not have told him about it.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#69971: Nov 29th 2017 at 2:55:00 PM

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Shouldn't Piccolo be in that pic?

@Hob That's not really inconsistent. The break cannon was Nappa's strongest attack, and Goku negated it by tossing out a casual Kanehameha. Weaker characters can still injure stronger ones if the gap isn't too big.

Goku was over 9000 8000. Nappa was 4000. The gap was way too big. If 3500 Piccolo was still getting utterly trashed by Nappa, then Nappa should have had zero chance of hurting Goku.

Goku may be faster, but that doesn't mean he was fast enough to intercept Nappa when Nappa had the head start on reaching Gohan/Kuririn.

But...he should have been. He's got the higher power level. That's exactly how it works isn't it? Though I suppose this was at the point in the series where you could have a lower power, but still specialize in different things, and everyone was weak enough that you could theoretically outspeed someone more powerful than you if you were far ahead enough.

As for Raditz not training his tail, I think it's more likely he didn't know it could be done rather than pride. He was quite young when Vegeta was destroyed, and Vegeta/Nappa looked down on him, so they may not have told him about it.

See, that I can buy. They never cared about Raditz, so they didn't bother to tell him. If he got himself killed because he never realized the Tail weakness, that's his fault.

edited 29th Nov '17 2:55:18 PM by HandsomeRob

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#69972: Nov 29th 2017 at 3:46:32 PM

I think it's kind of crazy how Cell is, in a way, younger than Gohan when they fought. Counting his emergence from the tube as birth, he spends two years in his own timeline and four years hibernating in the main timeline. So he's only six years old, and has only been fully conscious for two years. I wonder if you could really call him a Psychopathic Manchild when he is a child from a certain point of view

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#69973: Nov 29th 2017 at 6:07:50 PM

He lived guys :D

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#69974: Nov 29th 2017 at 6:09:25 PM

All hail Lord Frieza, Emperor of the Universe. [awesome]

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#69975: Nov 29th 2017 at 6:14:36 PM

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Hear hear!

Lord Frieza is invincible, immortal and unstoppable!cool

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