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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#69876: Nov 28th 2017 at 5:17:55 PM

Seriously?

Do you want him to be able to grope any woman he wants without getting caught?

Cause that's what he'd do.

One Strip! One Strip!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#69877: Nov 28th 2017 at 5:22:50 PM

No, he's grown past that now. He truly would have no weaknesses.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#69878: Nov 28th 2017 at 5:29:30 PM

...

I'm impressed he did it for this arc, but I have doubts if it will last past the tournament.

Roshi's always been at his best in Tournaments (with a few small slip ups), and the stakes of this particular one forced him to learn some discipline, but once the threat of universal annihilation is done, I'm expecting him to backslide so far back, he's goes back in time to before his master died.cool

One Strip! One Strip!
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#69879: Nov 28th 2017 at 5:31:45 PM

I mean, technically Roshi can grab any woman he wants. He's invisible to 99 percent of the planet's population when moving fast enough. All he has to do is spend a day away from the rest of the gang and no one could stop him from being a molest-o-matic.

My various fanfics.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#69880: Nov 28th 2017 at 5:32:02 PM

Damn you Roshi for making me respect you again after writing you off as some lame pervert for years.

Now I really want to play as you in Fighter Z. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#69881: Nov 28th 2017 at 5:35:15 PM

Roshi was fully solid from the second OG dragonball arc right through to when he retired after the King Piccolo arc. Every arc has him doing fine because he seems to grasp that there's no way he can catch up (until the Tournament of Everyone But Tien Does Amazing)

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#69882: Nov 28th 2017 at 5:45:51 PM

So there's no evidence Ultra Instinct is locked to Saiyans, yes? This pleases me if so.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#69883: Nov 28th 2017 at 5:46:18 PM

Roshi would have SO much potential as a character in Fighterz. He's got the Lightning Shock Surprise, Lullaby Hypnosis, Rock, Scissors, and Paper Fist, Drunken Boxing, the wind move he uses to eliminate Yamcha, pressure point hits, Afterimage, Kamehameha, his buff form, and the Mafuba, all as move options.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#69884: Nov 28th 2017 at 5:48:49 PM

Ultra Instinct isn't locked to Saiyans, but it's extremely difficult for even Gods of Destruction and Angels to master.

Also, by itself it shouldn't pose a massive power increase.

The form Goku uses that GRANTS ultra instinct along with a massive increase in power is likely Saiyan-exclusive, since non of the othet UI uses display those traits and transforming is kind of their thing.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#69885: Nov 28th 2017 at 5:51:30 PM

I'd put it more Goku exclusive.

Vegeta ain't got the chops for it.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#69886: Nov 28th 2017 at 5:52:18 PM

They keep making note of the heat that Goku is giving off, and apparently it's not something that just accompanies Ultra Instinct, so I can buy that Goku is using some kind of Saiyan-specific version of it. As for why there's a Saiyan-specific version? Is that a question that even needs an answer.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#69887: Nov 28th 2017 at 6:02:10 PM

[up][up] I wouldn't expect that to last

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#69888: Nov 28th 2017 at 6:03:45 PM

[up] True but I just like making fun of Vegeta.

Though we have seen that when pushed to the edge Vegeta will break unlike Goku.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#69889: Nov 28th 2017 at 6:06:57 PM

"I give up" - Goku, when pushed to the edge

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#69890: Nov 28th 2017 at 6:06:59 PM

Why do they even give Vegeta the same forms Goku has, he never really uses them to the same effect.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#69891: Nov 28th 2017 at 6:08:58 PM

[up][up] Different circumstances sorta.

[up] Marketing?

edited 28th Nov '17 6:09:13 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#69892: Nov 28th 2017 at 6:09:06 PM

Because Vegeta's spent his entire life post Namek chasing Goku. Hence whereas Goku expands to new horizons Vegeta's always there, a step behind never courageous enough to overtake for fear that he'll just fall further behind.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#69893: Nov 28th 2017 at 6:16:10 PM

So basically he's chasing after something he'll never achieve. What a sad life.

At least Gohan wants to follow a different path than Goku, even if he ends up weaker for it.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#69894: Nov 28th 2017 at 6:18:24 PM

Something GT did right is that Veggie did give up that pointless dream & moved on to something that actually fulfilled him.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#69895: Nov 28th 2017 at 6:19:24 PM

Like growing a mustache.

This song needs more love.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#69896: Nov 28th 2017 at 6:20:03 PM

That's not even true.

Goku discovered Super Saiyan by acccident.

Vegeta discovered Grade II.

Goku mastered Super Saiyan.

Gohan discovered Super Saiyan 2.

Goku discovered 3, and was taught how to God.

Goku and Vegeta both reached Blue together.

The manga even has Vegeta come up with God-Blue on his own.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#69897: Nov 28th 2017 at 6:23:55 PM

And Goku comes up with Mastered Blue/Blue Kaioken and stumbles his way into Ultra Instinct. Vegeta never uses Grade II or God-Blue after he first discovers them because they both suck and are inferior to Super Saiyan 2 and Mastered Blue, respectively.

edited 28th Nov '17 6:24:35 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#69898: Nov 28th 2017 at 6:28:47 PM

Doesn't change that Goku didn't discover Super Saiyan 2.

All the Saiyans follow basically the same progression because the Saiyan forms are designed to have 'one best way' of moving forward.

It's much less "Goku is a pioneer and Vegeta follows" and more of all the Saiyans just being willing to use what works. Gohan's sentiment is cute but has little precedence in how they've gained power before, and we've yet to see him gain anything new.

edited 28th Nov '17 6:29:18 PM by Saiga

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#69899: Nov 28th 2017 at 6:32:22 PM

[up]Agreed, which is why I was confused by this current discussion.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#69900: Nov 28th 2017 at 6:32:54 PM

Well, Gohan did get like a hundred times stronger just by training with Piccolo for a few hours, going from his former strength level during the Buu Saga to slightly under SSB Goku.

edited 28th Nov '17 6:36:59 PM by PushoverMediaCritic


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