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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#69651: Nov 26th 2017 at 5:29:52 PM

I was excited about her character at first, since Dragonball has such an absence of female fighters. And hey, magical girl parodies are fun.

I just like the idea of Vegeta fighting someone with a clownish appearance. He's been calling Goku that for years and here he is, fighting Ribrianne in the opening.

edited 26th Nov '17 5:30:08 PM by Soble

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Larfleeze Agent Orange Since: May, 2009
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#69652: Nov 26th 2017 at 6:40:14 PM

Which is where some of the backlash against her comes from. In the opening she’s portrayed as a legitimate threat and someone who can fight Vegeta seriously when she’s actually a joke who gets beaten easily multiple times yet still sticks around spouting more or less the exact same lines about “love”. And considering the number of characters in the TOP who get next to no focus or characterization it’s honestly baffling.

edited 26th Nov '17 6:43:27 PM by Larfleeze

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#69653: Nov 26th 2017 at 6:44:31 PM

I recall some speculation that the big purple guy, not Brianne, is U2's actual ace. Wonder if that's true?

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#69654: Nov 26th 2017 at 7:14:39 PM

Nah, Goku's going to be taking all three of the remaining U2 fighters out at the same time next episode.

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#69655: Nov 26th 2017 at 7:24:55 PM

I'm surprised Beerus didn't wish to find out where the real Super Saiyan god was since he was so hung up on that before.

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#69656: Nov 26th 2017 at 7:57:01 PM

What do you mean the "real" Super Saiyan God?

Shenron flat out told him that a SSG did not exist, but that Goku could become one.

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#69657: Nov 26th 2017 at 8:04:08 PM

Technically, there was the Original Super Saiyan God, but that Saiyan is long dead and forgotten by history.

You know what'd be cool? An animated special covering the Super Saiyan 1,000 years ago who destroyed Planet Sadal and the Original Super Saiyan God who, long ago, fought against the evil Saiyan elites as Oozaru and lost from running out of the time limit. Maybe even tie their stories together, somehow.

Larfleeze Agent Orange Since: May, 2009
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#69658: Nov 26th 2017 at 8:21:34 PM

They’re both Bardock.

edited 26th Nov '17 8:21:43 PM by Larfleeze

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#69659: Nov 26th 2017 at 8:33:20 PM

No, neither is Bardock. Stop that. Shame on you.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#69660: Nov 26th 2017 at 8:36:54 PM

Anyone actually thinking Goku might get eliminated? He's clearly being worn out.

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#69661: Nov 26th 2017 at 8:36:59 PM

But in Dragon Ball Minus, Goku is Kal El! tongue

"Mai waifu."
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#69662: Nov 26th 2017 at 8:45:24 PM

[up][up]I'm still going off of my interpretation of the lyrics in the full opening, which pretty clearly spell out how the arc is going to end to me: Goku gets eliminated and he cheers on Gohan to break through his sadness and fight as a warrior. Gohan takes a powerful hit and gets back up, surprising Goku (which, given what we know from the Special, is almost certainly Gohan taking a hit that would kill him but he unlocks Ultra Instinct to survive it). Gohan then fights in the climax of the tournament (probably against Jiren), making Beerus look puny in the process.

I'm not even a Gohan fanboy, this is just what I get from the full OP's lyrics.

edited 26th Nov '17 9:17:57 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#69663: Nov 26th 2017 at 9:09:00 PM

Gohand can't win though...soooooo?

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#69664: Nov 26th 2017 at 9:45:06 PM

Her being fat is part of what made her initially interesting to me.

Is it ever explained why she becomes fat? The other two keep the same general figure.

In the opening she’s portrayed as a legitimate threat and someone who can fight Vegeta seriously

Vegeta's fighting her as a Super Saiyan in the opening, so I wouldn't call that serious.

edited 26th Nov '17 9:47:55 PM by Hobgoblin

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#69665: Nov 26th 2017 at 9:46:39 PM

In-universe, probably not. Out, well, it's certainly unique, and it's a Call Back to Zarbon.

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Justin_Brett Since: Jun, 2010
#69666: Nov 26th 2017 at 9:47:06 PM

Is this arc ultimately going to be remembered largely as a let-down? For every good moment it seems like there's a bunch of bad stuff too.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#69667: Nov 26th 2017 at 9:49:42 PM

It will be remembered as "the show that wasn't GT" and "the show that gave us canon female Broly."

It's hard to say exactly how a show will be remembered down the line.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#69668: Nov 26th 2017 at 9:52:45 PM

[up][up] I feel the fandom will always be too divisive to say that kind of thing

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#69669: Nov 26th 2017 at 10:01:53 PM

Thats tricky. Its like how Goku is responsible for a lot of bad parts (like his constant sand-bagging) but also for a lot of good parts (Ultra Instinct)

Unless the ending is really bad its gonna come down to personal taste in the end.

Also Ribra's transformation is weird. She looks so hugely different compared to her teammates it makes ya wonder whats the deal.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#69670: Nov 26th 2017 at 10:05:44 PM

Pretty sure the "deal" is how Universe 2 still fawns over how beautiful she is despite being, well...

Well, societal definitions of beauty and all.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#69671: Nov 26th 2017 at 10:07:53 PM

I wonder what Champa's original wish was. Maybe he's just greedy, but he keeps trying for the Super Dragon Balls

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#69672: Nov 26th 2017 at 10:18:21 PM

I assume the massive difference between Briane and Ribrianne comes entirely from Rule of Funny.

Magical Girls don't normally look like that, so she does. It's all part of Toriyama's usual methods.

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#69673: Nov 26th 2017 at 10:18:27 PM

Is this arc ultimately going to be remembered largely as a let-down? For every good moment it seems like there's a bunch of bad stuff too.

Depends on how the arc wraps up I suppose. The big Goku/Jiren 1 hour special broke Crunchyroll and Funimation's websites so there's definitely a lot of good will earn during this arc.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#69674: Nov 26th 2017 at 10:24:56 PM

So, kaioken returns. Whatever, too much yelling, not enough punching. This was anime only, right? What did he do in the manga?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#69675: Nov 26th 2017 at 10:27:03 PM

He went Super Saiyan God instead.

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