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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#69326: Nov 24th 2017 at 5:26:41 PM

[up][up] and [up]Good point.

Hopefully, if we seem more female super saiyans, they'll avoid what was wrong with these two while keeping all the things that people enjoy.

...huh, I just realized, Kale is kinda outside Toriyama's usual range for female characters (being feisty, bossy and ill tempered and all that). I wonder what even made him think of her...or was she Toyotarou's idea?

edited 24th Nov '17 5:27:05 PM by HandsomeRob

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#69327: Nov 24th 2017 at 5:32:05 PM

I kind of doubt we'll get any more female Super Saiyans in the future.

The main thing is that the rumours that females can't go Super Saiyan is gone now, which is nice.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#69328: Nov 24th 2017 at 5:32:16 PM

[up][up]She'll be feisty, bossy, and ill-tempered until she becomes a demure housewife, I'm sure.

edited 24th Nov '17 5:33:11 PM by Anomalocaris20

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#69329: Nov 24th 2017 at 5:44:49 PM

She already is pretty demure most of the time.

I suppose this shows that we can have a female fighter who isn't kinda a bitch.

I mean, Launch had her blonde self, who eventually more or less took over, and Chi-chi in the first arc is very different from Chi-chi in later arcs. In the long run, Toriyama kinda just defaulted to his main female personality, until we got the more cool headed Android 18.

Kale is something different in that regard: a more passive female who's still portrayed as a strong fighter for the most part.

One Strip! One Strip!
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#69330: Nov 24th 2017 at 5:46:57 PM

Wait, thought you were talking about Caulifla for a second, my bad.

Now my joke about the Toriyama Housewife Principle is ruined.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#69331: Nov 24th 2017 at 5:47:02 PM

So wait, if Kale and Caulifla get married, do they both become demure housewives or does it cancel out?

This song needs more love.
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#69332: Nov 24th 2017 at 5:47:09 PM

Man, it's going to suck when Caulifla marries Kale and both of them become demure housewives.

(whoops I've been got)

edited 24th Nov '17 5:49:35 PM by Moth13

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#69333: Nov 24th 2017 at 5:47:51 PM

I cannot care about Caulifa and Kale because I find them boring for different reasons. Caulifa is just a typical saiyan, and Kale is both an archetype who's execution I found underwhelming and Broly fanservice. That people like these characters isn't surprising to me, nor is it something I take issue with.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#69334: Nov 24th 2017 at 5:47:53 PM

[up][up][up][up] Only until it's revealed Kale is already married.

[up] Even though I dislike (aspects of) them myself, I don't take issue with other characters liking them. I just take issue with the story.

edited 24th Nov '17 5:48:33 PM by Saiga

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#69335: Nov 24th 2017 at 5:48:07 PM

I think thats a paradox.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#69336: Nov 24th 2017 at 5:48:38 PM

@LordVatek: They become Super Sand Lesbians, which are known for killing Frisbee, and also being giant and crashing into the Earth.

That's how U6's Earth got destroyed in the first place.

edited 24th Nov '17 5:49:07 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#69337: Nov 24th 2017 at 5:49:12 PM

"Yeah we don't like to talk about that"

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#69338: Nov 24th 2017 at 5:51:18 PM

Even though I dislike (aspects of) them myself, I don't take issue with other characters liking them. I just take issue with the story.

By other people I meant out of universe fans. It goes without saying they'd be liked in-universe with all the pushing they got.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#69339: Nov 24th 2017 at 5:52:14 PM

Blah, so did I. I don't know why I said characters there.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#69340: Nov 24th 2017 at 5:55:28 PM

Obviously real life is actually just a story Saiga is writing, and we're all characters in it.

That's the only rational explanation.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#69342: Nov 24th 2017 at 6:09:25 PM

Obviously real life is actually just a story Saiga is writing, and we're all characters in it. That's the only rational explanation.

I knew you were to blame for all the bad things that have happened in my life!

I will find you...and then destroy you! And then....FREEDOM!!!!

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#69343: Nov 24th 2017 at 6:25:52 PM

From what Iv'e seen/heard, Kale and Caulifla are very popular throughout the fandom at large.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#69344: Nov 24th 2017 at 6:54:43 PM

I've seen both extremes of people either really loving them or throwing a bunch of bile at them. Kale in particular since she is a blatant Broly expy.

I like them well enough. They're certainly better than a certain other character who I won't name because we've already beaten that horse dead. tongue

I'm assuming a future arc will be taking place in U6 since they keep implying that Vegeta will visit their planet. Hopefully that gives a chance for them and Cabba to be better developed.

edited 24th Nov '17 6:56:09 PM by Lionheart0

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#69345: Nov 24th 2017 at 7:20:48 PM

Nah, Saiga's not the author of this story. I am. Because I can see the world through my eyes and not the rest of yours, which means when I die all of you are going down with me. tongue

...Sooooooo, who's looking forward to Universe 2 finally get wiped out tomorrow maybe?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#69346: Nov 24th 2017 at 7:23:03 PM

[up][up]Are you talking about Fasha or Celipa?

edited 24th Nov '17 7:23:30 PM by randomness4

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#69347: Nov 24th 2017 at 8:35:24 PM

I dislike the execution of Caulifa and Kale more than the characters themselves tbh. They were going to have fans regardless and that's fine, but I think the majority issue is just how badly they've been utilized in this arc.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Larfleeze Agent Orange Since: May, 2009
Agent Orange
#69348: Nov 24th 2017 at 9:02:26 PM

The only issue I have with the U6 Saiyans is that Pan absolutely should have been the first female Super Saiyan even if it was only in a video game like Budokai Tenkaichi or Xenoverse.

Do you know what people want the most? Something somebody else has.
Larfleeze Agent Orange Since: May, 2009
Agent Orange
#69349: Nov 24th 2017 at 9:04:38 PM

Hell despite stuff like Dokkan and Heroes giving freaking RADITZ Super Saiyan and Broly literally every transformation ever, she still doesn’t.

It’s mind boggling.

Do you know what people want the most? Something somebody else has.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#69350: Nov 24th 2017 at 9:10:47 PM

Raditz got Super Saiyan 3, actually.


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