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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#69126: Nov 21st 2017 at 12:29:25 AM

Dragon Ball was fine...

Dragon Z was the slowness...

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#69127: Nov 21st 2017 at 12:49:52 AM

This fight sucks. And giving up makes no sense.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#69128: Nov 21st 2017 at 12:58:05 AM

Aren't you the guy who said that Beerus was the ultimate evil in the entire series and that if they aren't constantly fighting against him and just accept the fact that they'll all die someday, why bother fighting any villains at all?

...Man, that was a while ago.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#69129: Nov 21st 2017 at 1:02:14 AM

No, I'm not. That was someone else. I might have said at the time that just giving up was stupid though.

Though to be fair Beerus is an unrepentant mass murderer on a scale literally impossible to fathom so it does seem like a reasonable position if you want to take actually take the character entirely seriously. Which I don't. So whatever.

Anyway, Beerus/Whis naptime scene changed to a Mai/Trunks scene so I quit watching right there. I'll watch Freeza movie when I get a chance. I expect that I'll hate every second of it.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#69130: Nov 21st 2017 at 1:06:04 AM

Just know that things do pick up during the Champa Saga.

At the very least it introduces very likable chaarcters.

Also while Beerus is indeed a mass-killer he is a vital part of how the universe functions. They need a Destroyer apparently.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#69131: Nov 21st 2017 at 1:10:56 AM

Or, just... don't watch it. Like, it sounds like you got through twenty minutes of the movie. So... like... don't do a thing you hate just to come over here and tell us how awful it is. The market is already flush with Anti-Super sentiment, it's basically just PMC by himself selling positivity out of the back of a fruit cart.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#69132: Nov 21st 2017 at 1:11:11 AM

Even if you accept that logic, doesn't he destroy far more than is actually required of his job? And why can't he destroy uninhabited planets? And why are the ones that get destroyed always ones that just happened to piss him off for incredibly petty reasons?

^ What do you mean? I finished the movie. I got the end with Beerus taking a three year nap and then I saw Mai and Trunks in a tree, which I figured was a scene that was shipping them and ew ew ew no.

Also, if people are being critical of Super, maybe that's because it's bad. I don't know, I haven't watched it yet., but it seems very likely to me.

edited 21st Nov '17 1:12:41 AM by Arha

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#69133: Nov 21st 2017 at 1:15:02 AM

[up] Okay I can't defend him there. I can't go into exact detail about this unless you want spoilers but he is in fact terrible at his job. His constant sleeping is only one of his major flaws. He is a horrible destroyer & while you may be right that he needs to die they can't do anything about it at the moment.

Also I think they cut out some of the Trunks/Mai stuff in the Super adaptation, did they?

Again Super improves I believe. I mean it has its controversial story decisions every arc but still there are plenty of good moments all around especially in the current arc where Goku is a total boss.

edited 21st Nov '17 1:16:50 AM by slimcoder

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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#69134: Nov 21st 2017 at 1:24:55 AM

We don't know why the Hakaishin only destroy inhabited planets, but it's probably the same reason Galactus only eat inhabited planets.(the life energy of the planet itself, rather than the planet)

Edit: On second thought, it's probably related to mortal levels. Kaioshin design the species and watch them progress, and the Hakaishin destroys those that don't make the cut.

edited 21st Nov '17 1:31:43 AM by Ikedatakeshi

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#69135: Nov 21st 2017 at 3:06:23 AM

Super isn't very different from the rest of Dragon Ball in terms of quality, outside a few places here or there.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#69136: Nov 21st 2017 at 4:12:22 AM

Actually, Beerus and Champa get reprimanded by Zeno for not destroying enough.

So Beerus and Champa aren't doing things right, but the actual destroying isn't the problem.

edited 21st Nov '17 4:15:27 AM by Zeromaeus

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#69137: Nov 21st 2017 at 4:34:20 AM

Super has a lot of issues, but none of them are any worse than the original series (Unless your name is Saiga :V)

So it just comes down to what your willing to tolerate and enjoy.

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#69138: Nov 21st 2017 at 4:52:05 AM

Yeah, claiming that I'm the only person who likes Super is just evidence that you don't pay any attention to the fanbase whatsoever. Super is MASSIVELY popular, even surpassing One Piece's ratings occasionally. Hell, claiming that I'm the only person who likes Super here is still wrong, just look at the above posts!

edited 21st Nov '17 4:52:57 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#69139: Nov 21st 2017 at 4:58:43 AM

For what it's worth, I do think that Beerus is a great character. An awful hakaishin, but an endlessly entertaining one. His squabbles with Champa always get a laugh out of me, and he's also really enjoyable when he plays the exasperated straight man to the simple-minded Blood Knight Goku. That, and I love just how shamelessly petty he was in the Battle of Gods movie/arc. His pudding rant to Gotenks was one of the funniest moments in the series.

[up] I like Super too!

edited 21st Nov '17 4:59:10 AM by TyeDyeWildebeest

No beer?! But if there's no beer, then there's no beef or beans!
Larfleeze Agent Orange Since: May, 2009
Agent Orange
#69140: Nov 21st 2017 at 5:25:12 AM

Super is a good show.

Do you know what people want the most? Something somebody else has.
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#69141: Nov 21st 2017 at 5:29:49 AM

It's alright. The biggest problem with Super right now is pacing.

If you liked the original anime, you might not feel the same "oomph" when people get punched or kicked in Super, but while there are some animation hiccups here and there, when Super gets good, it gets really good. You just have to wait 3-4 episodes between the really good parts. Everyone's been talking about one of the fights recently which, despite me not liking the ending to it, was really well-animated.

You'll get some character interactions that you wouldn't have gotten before and some head-tilting comedy.

Like someone else said, if you liked Dragonball/Z, you probably won't hate this. If the voice bothers you that much, either don't watch it (read the manga), or wait for the dub to catch up. That's what I keep trying to do, but then someone tells me GOKU JUST PUNCHED GOD IN THE FACE WITH HIS NEW FORM and I'm like, "F'ck," and run off to Youtube.

edited 21st Nov '17 5:42:36 AM by Soble

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#69142: Nov 21st 2017 at 5:32:13 AM

I love how everyone was talking about how Beerus seems like a guy who'd be terrible at his job, and then the most recent arc revealed that he actually is. It makes Dragon Ball's pantheon so much more interesting knowing the way it actually functions and how the Kaioshin and Hakaishin are supposed to work with each other for the betterment of their universe. Also learning that our only example of a god of destruction is a bad one and it makes sense that he'd be bad is a great reveal.

I also really love that, when we're given biographies for the other gods, you can see exactly where they go wrong and where they go right. Just learning short snippets about them reveals how to have a good mortal level and how not to have a good mortal level. The series doesn't just tell you which universes are good and which are bad and leave it there, it actually gives the gods little personality quirks that show how their universes are good or bad and what makes them good or bad.

edited 21st Nov '17 5:33:47 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#69143: Nov 21st 2017 at 8:57:43 AM

I don't think Sharknado's point was that only Pushover enjoys Super so much as he's the only one to go out of his way to gush about and defend anything it does.

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#69144: Nov 21st 2017 at 9:08:07 AM

I don't do that, either. I'll call out Super when it does something stupid, and I won't be nearly as enthusiastic about an episode if it had enough stuff in it I didn't like. I just happen to vastly prefer talking about the stuff I like over the stuff I don't. Maybe it'd be fair to say that I like Super more than a majority of regular posters here, but that statement doesn't really hold much weight.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#69145: Nov 21st 2017 at 9:10:16 AM

I was just trying to pay him a compliment for his boundless optimism.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#69146: Nov 21st 2017 at 9:25:23 AM

So should Goku's ki-boarding Kefla's Double Christmas be considered a signature scene for Super?

Cause I am totally gonna remember that for years to come. The greatest Kamehameha ever. [awesome]

edited 21st Nov '17 9:25:40 AM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#69147: Nov 21st 2017 at 10:25:37 AM

I saw Mai and Trunks in a tree, which I figured was a scene that was shipping them and ew ew ew no.

Look forward to the Ningen Arc.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#69148: Nov 21st 2017 at 10:47:59 AM

@Arha

Also don't obsess over power scaling, I made that mistake and I realized that it isn't worth it as Super tends to make characters as strong as they need to be every other episode.

"Mai waifu."
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#69149: Nov 21st 2017 at 11:04:52 AM

I'm not sure even BOG stands on par with the best Dragonball arcs and it's supposed to be one of the best parts of Super, right? I am not exactly looking forward to the return of Freeza.

GAP: Totally inconsistent power levels seem like a serious issue to me though.

Well, I'll reserve more comments on the quality of Super until tonight when I can watch the next movie.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#69150: Nov 21st 2017 at 11:17:15 AM

The movies and their retellings are really more of a prologue to the main part of Super in my opinion. They do more of a job setting up Beerus, Whis, and other elements that will be used later than actually digging into them.

edited 21st Nov '17 11:17:23 AM by LordVatek

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