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XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#69026: Nov 19th 2017 at 5:07:43 PM

@VeryMelon: I'm glad you like his idea. Just wanted to share it around due to the perfect timing. grin


@slimcoder: Xenoverse games make it a non-issue when it comes to giving characters unique, non-canon move-sets (for instance, look at Champa Arc's Frost and Cabba in that game).

Even giving them separate slots in FighterZ is possible, and your pitch is proof of that. I think 113-116 showed off some decent movesetsnote  to make Kale into a grappler, or Caulifla into a rushdown character with some counters.

Though, I think splitting the difference and making the pair similar to Android 18 would be for the best. Their max level special would be fusing into Kefla.


@TwistedGear: You just made me of realize something I just liked about UI Goku versus Kefla: it took the set-up and execution of "Roshi versus Ganos" fight Up To Eleven (making my "Goku reinventing Roshi's wheel" comment even more hilarious).

Despite Kefla and Ganos having constantly rising power levels and being youthful hotheads, Roshi and Goku respectively conserve their stamina by outmaneuvering their attacks, then finally cementing that tactics and power should be balanced with a finishing Kamehameha wave.

Also, we're totally in the same camp for that match. Let the ham off begin...

edited 19th Nov '17 5:08:38 PM by XMenMutant22

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#69027: Nov 19th 2017 at 5:11:36 PM

Heh I like that character idea for the girls too.

[up] Oh most definitely there gonna be in Xenoverse eventually. Its a non-question. The fun part is Fighter Z where that game has a very specific & condensed roster where every character is carefully picked. Really makes ya think there.

Also anyone else noticed that this whole match with Kefla took like 4 minutes?

edited 19th Nov '17 5:11:47 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#69028: Nov 19th 2017 at 5:14:36 PM

She's not as self-centered about it as Kafla is. Caulifla is all about geeking out over how cool Goku's new forms and power are. Kafla is all about hyping her own power up. The difference is between confidence in your own future power vs confidence in the power you have in the moment. The latter comes from Kale's character development making herself more confident in who she is.

...This really just sounds like you trying to come up with a rationalization for any of Kale's personality coming through. Caulifla was excited about what Goku could do because she was determined to do it herself, but Kefla already has the crazy power.

Really though, I don't see how it matters, she basically has "generic fusion personality", the same as Gotenks and Veggetto. It just so happens that that generic personality is much closer to Caulifla's to begin with than with Kale's.

edited 19th Nov '17 5:15:31 PM by LSBK

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#69029: Nov 19th 2017 at 5:50:28 PM

I know I've been kinda down on the TOP and the idea of Goku getting a new power-up, but I will say that UI does have some very well choreographed moments. Skating on Kefla's beam was pretty neat.

Edit: The manga chapter got translated. I'm curious what the relationship between Jiren and Belmond is. Even more interesting, Jiren is willing to let his universe get erased until Belmond goads him with the opportunity of getting his wish considering he had no intention of willfully erasing someone else's universe.

edited 19th Nov '17 6:24:06 PM by Hobgoblin

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#69030: Nov 19th 2017 at 8:11:27 PM

I just love how much characterization Jiren already has in the manga.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#69031: Nov 19th 2017 at 8:17:30 PM

[up][up] Who wants Jiren being fleshed out? I much preferred the 2-parter about 17 fighting some poachers and not!Launch trying to ruin Tien's dojo & Roshi acting like a creeper.

edited 19th Nov '17 8:17:58 PM by Lionheart0

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#69032: Nov 19th 2017 at 8:22:42 PM

Writing by the seat of his pants or not, Toriyama created a powerful bond between Goku and Piccolo:

Piccolo might as well be the Zeppeli to Goku's Jonathan. erh, well, I meant that in a positive way.

edited 20th Nov '17 5:36:01 AM by Soble

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#69033: Nov 19th 2017 at 8:56:50 PM

If I had to compare Piccolo to a Zeppeli, it'd probably be Caesar. Will and Gyro are both mentor figures.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#69034: Nov 19th 2017 at 10:16:14 PM

Awwww its sweet how much their relationship has grown throughout the years. smile

Also I think Cauli is the most brash & headstrong Saiyan we have, even more than Vegeta at his worst. Its like after she gets defused she still has the gall to threaten Goku despite again being totally overpowered during a Fusion by one person. Getting her ass absolutely handed to her will not keep this monkey down. Its like compared to Vegeta cause for all his bluster & Saiyan pride knew when to shut up especially after getting his own ass shredded. She's like Scrappy Doo or something.

I don't know I just find this funny. tongue

edited 19th Nov '17 11:35:12 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#69035: Nov 19th 2017 at 11:34:07 PM

To be fair, this whole time she's been told that she's the Saiyan with the most potential, and then some guy from another universe is like "lol no" and beats her after she unlocks two transformations and fuses her with protege.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#69036: Nov 19th 2017 at 11:36:01 PM

To be fair, there's only one person who can defeat Ultra Instinct Goku.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Kytseo Since: Jul, 2010
#69037: Nov 20th 2017 at 1:12:23 AM

This question was probably posed before, but should someone add the relevant Dr. Slump characters to the Dragon Ball character pages? It was shown that a variant of the Dr. Slump cast exists in Universe 7 (since Goku visiting Penguin Village was in the original manga, and Arale does appear in Dragon Ball Super).

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#69038: Nov 20th 2017 at 3:16:43 AM

[up][up][up]

Who and where are these people that are telling Caulifla that she's the Saiyan with the "most potential"?

...Other than herself, of course.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#69039: Nov 20th 2017 at 3:37:01 AM

At most we had Renso telling Cabba that his younger sister had more potential than him which, while a nice complement, is far from telling Caulifla that she's the greatest ever. Closest to that is Kale telling her how great she is, but she did that as often as she shit on herself, which Caulifla hated.

Hell, Caulifla's confidence mostly stems from her learning about all these higher super forms that she, as a Saiyan, should logically be able to accomplish eventually. Kale actually seems to have more self-confidence than Caulifla now that her character development is over.

A lot of Caulifla's boisterous nature is just her talking big and acting tough, while Kale's self-confidence is genuine and born from a former place of extreme self-hatred.

Also, after rewatching it a couple dozen more times, Goku vs Caulifla and Kale/Kafla is definitely getting a spot on my list of top ten fights in the franchise.

edited 20th Nov '17 3:56:28 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#69040: Nov 20th 2017 at 7:02:18 AM

What makes you think Caulifa's confidence isn't genuine.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#69041: Nov 20th 2017 at 7:04:25 AM

Yeah, I don't recall seeing anything that ever implied that Caulifla wasn't just genuinely as rowdy and confident as she comes off.

Which is why Kefla just comes off as Caulifla after she has all the power instead of anything about Kale finding true confidence or whatever.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#69042: Nov 20th 2017 at 7:15:24 AM

Nah, Caulifla might look confident, but deep down she was really scared... of her own infinite potential! :^)

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#69043: Nov 20th 2017 at 7:15:24 AM

Kefla was completly unambigously drunk on power lacking anything resembling the self-awareness Gotenks or control Vegito had.

If theres anything of Kale it might be & I may be stretching this is that Kefla has her tendency to lose herself & go berserk.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#69044: Nov 20th 2017 at 7:31:54 AM

Yeah, if anything, Kefla had Caulifla’s inflated ego with Kale’s absurd power to back it up.

The whole “Kefla is representative of Kales hidden confidence” is reading too much into it.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#69045: Nov 20th 2017 at 7:35:02 AM

[up][up]No Gotenks was totally like that too against Buu, it just wasn't warranted at first.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#69046: Nov 20th 2017 at 7:39:51 AM

What's with fusions being stupidly arrogant. At least Vegetto acts like that as part of a plan.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#69047: Nov 20th 2017 at 7:47:35 AM

Well, Gogeta wasn't. Although, Gogeta lacked any kind of personality, so it's hard to tell…

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#69048: Nov 20th 2017 at 7:51:34 AM

[up][up][up] Oh yeah when he first formed he was totally as arrogant. That time of training really did wonders for him.

[up] Dude was really, really serious.

edited 20th Nov '17 7:52:52 AM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#69049: Nov 20th 2017 at 7:53:44 AM

A plan that Vegito came up with in under an hour, having no prior evidence that indicated such a plan would even work.

  • Buu ate my family.
  • Maybe if I piss Buu off enough he'll try to eat me too.
  • And once I'm inside of him, I'll go to where all of my family and friends are.
  • Hopefully they haven't been digested yet.
  • And then I'll fly my way out.

I'm assuming I'm forgetting a line where they said something about still sensing the absorption victims inside of Buu, so maybe that would make Vegito's plans make more sense.

And I mean - Gohan's the smart one, and even he didn't think to let Buu absorb him so that he could free Gotenks and Piccolo.

edited 20th Nov '17 7:54:43 AM by Soble

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Fedetropes Call me Blast, not Fedetropes from Doomed universe Since: Dec, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Call me Blast, not Fedetropes
#69050: Nov 20th 2017 at 8:17:01 AM

[up] Gohan could also try to stall buutenks until the fusion ran out, assuming he knew that.

But then again buu could have know what he was trying and just kill him instantly

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