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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#69001: Nov 19th 2017 at 3:31:40 PM

Hey ya got your good parts & your bad parts in a fandom.

Nothing you can do about it.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#69002: Nov 19th 2017 at 3:32:24 PM

[up][up]

What stereotype are we talking about here?

One Strip! One Strip!
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#69003: Nov 19th 2017 at 3:32:33 PM

After Kafla, Ribrianne and the bugs are pretty much the only remaining non-U7 or U11 fighters who have any sort of hype to them. I'm beginning to think that the end of the tournament won't necessarily mean the end of the arc.

edited 19th Nov '17 3:33:06 PM by LordVatek

This song needs more love.
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#69004: Nov 19th 2017 at 3:34:54 PM

Well duh, they still have to beat El Grande Padre.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#69005: Nov 19th 2017 at 3:35:30 PM

[up] U3 have implied they have some manner of ace left in the game, at least.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#69006: Nov 19th 2017 at 3:35:40 PM

Why should her SS 2 be that strong?

I mean, tell that to Vegito and Gotenks.

Base Khalifa was already demolishing God-ku. Times that by 100.

Goku was able to fight Beerus with God, and Whis suggested that if Goku and Vegeta worked together using Blue they might be able to beat Beerus.

edited 19th Nov '17 3:39:21 PM by Soble

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XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#69007: Nov 19th 2017 at 3:35:47 PM

Oh hey, another Freeza saga callback in Episode 116. I forgot to mention this one.

[down] I've seen people compare Kefla's attire to a yoga outfit. The fusion's wearing Kale's makeshift sports bra and Caulifla's Hammerman pants with the air sucked out. Wait...

edited 19th Nov '17 3:49:33 PM by XMenMutant22

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#69008: Nov 19th 2017 at 3:45:31 PM

[up] Ha thats funny. [lol]

Also anyone else feel that Kefla is wearing gym clothes?

edited 19th Nov '17 3:57:56 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#69009: Nov 19th 2017 at 4:03:34 PM

I'm starting to think they only merged the two together so they can justify using Kelfa as a Composite Character for both of them. Similar to what Gotenks is for Goten and Trunks.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#69010: Nov 19th 2017 at 4:08:26 PM

Except it's not a composite character… As I said, it's just Caulifla with a stereo voice.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#69011: Nov 19th 2017 at 4:10:42 PM

Same differnece.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#69012: Nov 19th 2017 at 4:12:55 PM

Not really. There's quite a bit of Kale in there. Kafla's much more openly confident than Caulifla, and that comes from Kale. Specifically, her character development.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#69013: Nov 19th 2017 at 4:18:28 PM

...You mean how Caulifa is even more boisterous and openly confident too :V

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#69014: Nov 19th 2017 at 4:20:12 PM

I could see Berserker Kale and Kafla being two seperate characters in future games.

This song needs more love.
XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#69015: Nov 19th 2017 at 4:22:51 PM

[up]x3: Yeah, besides hijakcing Kale's power with her own, Kefla is Caulifla without the breaks. Really, the only sign of Kale I could see, personality-wise, was that one-moment of hesitance from witnessing Goku being down for the count.

But on that note, someone on Kanzenshuu made a similar comment (stating that Kefla should have been the teased female Saiyan all along), using the following reason:

     Quoting the user "The Mikado": 
An interesting single character would be a female character who outwardly displays arrogance and leadership qualities as the leader of her gang, but inwardly questions her abilities while living in her older brother's [Renso] shadow.

[Kefla] has great potential and when finally able to let go of her inner doubts fully realizes he potential through her LSSJ form but is initially unable to control. This causes a character crisis mid-tournament in the realization that she is a monster. Her cocky attitude begins to crack showing her inner fragility, however through continuing to struggle in the tournament, the realization that her followers are counting on her she decides she must gain control of herself and emerges in her new form, confident in both her abilities and potential.

Granted, I like the idea. At the same time, I don't mind them being separate characters due to their individual traits being sufficient enough to expand upon, and mentor/mentee chemistry works.

Then again, I'm sure Kale would love for a Steven Universe-type situation regarding long-term fusions. [lol]

edited 19th Nov '17 4:31:27 PM by XMenMutant22

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#69016: Nov 19th 2017 at 4:24:49 PM

[up][up] You may as well just add Broly at that point.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#69017: Nov 19th 2017 at 4:26:41 PM

She's not as self-centered about it as Kafla is. Caulifla is all about geeking out over how cool Goku's new forms and power are. Kafla is all about hyping her own power up. The difference is between confidence in your own future power vs confidence in the power you have in the moment. The latter comes from Kale's character development making herself more confident in who she is.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#69018: Nov 19th 2017 at 4:28:21 PM

Considering Gotenks just got announced fot Fighter Z, Kefla definitly has a shot in.

Now for the individual girls hmmmh thats a bit tricky.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#69019: Nov 19th 2017 at 4:28:30 PM

The Mikado had a good idea there. If Kelfa was a single character instead of a fusion and was characterized like that, I would like her.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#69020: Nov 19th 2017 at 4:28:30 PM

Well...I still don't agree, but I don't think anything I say is going to change your mind, so (shrug)

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#69021: Nov 19th 2017 at 4:31:12 PM

[up][up][up] I could see Hit, Frost, and the U6 Saiyan trio all making the cut.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#69023: Nov 19th 2017 at 4:32:34 PM

H-HAYAI!

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#69024: Nov 19th 2017 at 4:36:28 PM

Ha thats funny. tongue

Hmmmh okay while Kale does homage a lot of Broly's shtick I think there's enough differences between the two. Broly would be permanently in his Legendary state while you can make Kale's controlled/mastered state her default form & make her Legendary/Berserker state a temporary power-up like Goku's SS 3 form, Frieza's Golden Frieza form, or Blue Goku going King Kai Fist.

Besides a lot of the Saiyan's kinda play the same anyway.

edited 19th Nov '17 4:37:07 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
Don't know how to pilot this thing
#69025: Nov 19th 2017 at 4:37:43 PM

So, finally back after almost a month of being one episode behind bringing some thoughts to the table: I find it interesting that Whis isn't so excited to see UI returning so soon, he looks worried, even, particularly when mentioning how he didn't expect Goku to access it again so soon (which in-universe is like what, 5 minutes since he last got it?)

I wonder if the offensive flaw was present in the fight with Jiren too, I don't remember him landing too many hits on Jiren in that fight and with Jiren it's hard to tell what damages him.

If Gokus incomplete Ultra Instinct form IS all defensive I kindof hope Vegeta gets an all offense Form when trying to catch up just so we can see how that'd be different.

That Ki skating moment was amazing, say what you will about Supers writing overall, all I ask for is more moments like that, and the plot can go right out the window.

Kefla was alot better executed than I expected, much like bringing Frieza and Master Roshi's role in the team in were. Kinda wish she was just defused and not outright eliminated since we're running low on interesting opponents and Gohan and the Androids haven't gotten their big fights yet.

Though on that note, I'm hoping for the u7 Saiyans versus U11 Pride troopers, wonder if Gohan brought his Sayaiman watch... Wait could Gohan get eliminated because the Xenos don't think the Saiyaman transformation is cool and thus count the watch as a tool that breaks the rules? I can't decide if that's too troll-ish for the To-crew or not.


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