Mmm.
That's Vegeta's job. I'd rather not have the two of them come back so they can job to Baby-possessed Hirudegarn in the next arc, thank you.
Oh come on, even Freeza knocked his b'tch-ass out
and he was the villain from like 6-8 arcs ago. That was far from the highest honor Kefla could've gotten.
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Jiren would disagree.
Not verbally, but you would totally get that from the way his eyes would move.
edited 19th Nov '17 1:59:58 PM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!Do I even want to know where these hate-filled people are? Because I keep hearing about how everyone hates the Saiya-girls but I haven't seen any of it.
Oh don't worry. Vegeta will too.
It's not a role that's limited to one person.
I mean, why do you think the other characters are even there?
They get all the character development (or lose it). Goku saves the day...except when he doesn't.
You never know what you're getting with this series.
One Strip! One Strip!Yeah I don't think she went down like a punk at all. She fought against a guy with perfect dodge ability who stood up to Jiren, gave a fantastic showing with some of the coolest attacks ever, and made him resort to an all-or-nothing final blow. I get being disappointed they won't be part of the tourney any more, but I can't think of a better way for them to go.
It's supposed to Kale + Caulifla = Kafla, but some translation weirdness left it as Kefla.
Egh. Come on dude.
There are people who dislike Caulifa and Kale purely for how powerful they are, but you don't seen them on places like here because they'd have made their presence know already. The truth is any hate really just comes from a vocal minority upset that characters they don't view as interesting even have fans. Most of the internet is neutral on them.
How exactly did Kafla have the fight in the bag? Unless you mean before UI, in which case, big whoop.
And yeah, making her stronger than Goku was vs Jiren was definitely the thing that felt most like shilling.
Edit: as for Goku having another form stronger than God, that was already a thing when he fought Jiren. It has nothing to do with this fight.
edited 19th Nov '17 2:17:08 PM by Saiga
To be fair, Piccolo only says that she's stronger than Goku was before, which doesn't necessarily mean Goku using Ultra Instinct against Jiren. He could've been referring to Kaioken x 20 Blue Goku, or whatever level of Ultra Instinct Goku was using before he started powering up with the aura pillar.
Yes. A very big whoop.
It has everything to do with my reaction to the fight.
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!No, it really isn't. Goku Blue worfs all over the place, and we don't even know if he used 20x against her.
But even then... so what? What does it matter that she beat a weaker form if him? It's not like she 'deserves' a win. No-one does.
As for your reaction... that's on you.
Maybe if God hadn't been worfed to begin with we wouldn't need this.
edited 19th Nov '17 2:28:49 PM by Saiga
It is the biggest of whoops.
I'm more comfortable with Super Saiyan Blue jobbing because that's literally the first thing it did
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Because it's disappointing.
I'm aware that's how reactions work.
Maybe so. Doesn't somehow lessen what happens later.
edited 19th Nov '17 2:47:28 PM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!Not really, no. I'm not in the "Goku is a terrible person and should never win any fight ever," camp.
I'm upset that she lost because Goku suddenly reactivated Ultra Instinct and kept upgrading it mid-fight. That was balls. And then it ends with Goku using his tried-and-true Kamehameha for the 17th time this arc.
edited 19th Nov '17 3:33:50 PM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!People made something about moving while doing it...without mentioning how he did?
That should happen more often.
edited 19th Nov '17 3:06:12 PM by randomness4
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Probably the coolest Kame wave yet.
Neither is Golden Freeza, SSJ Rage F-Trunks or Jiren (that we know of) for that matter. We already saw Kale's SSJ Berserk form tanking a SSB Kame wave.
So I'm not seeing why this fight was a waste of time here. We have a God scale battle & people say there's too much focus on this fight? I guess people really want to see U4 bugs that badly.
@68975 Very Melon
I can't respect that kind of thinking. It's one thing to angry about power levels, but it's another when it has to do with characters. That's the kind of stereotype I'm done being associate with as a DBZ fan.
edited 19th Nov '17 3:08:54 PM by agent-trunks
Suddenly that Saiyan hype video Toei put out a few months
makes sense for this little romp. A great conclusion to this fight, and a great send-off to the Saiyan Girls. note
- Gotta give it to Goku though, he never stops reinventing Roshi's wheel. That Toyko Drift Kamehameha/Grindmehameha, complete with its choreography, needs to be added as a beam-struggle counter in a future game.
- Caulifla's Doctor Claw impression made me laugh, with Cabba cutting her off before Frost's mistake reemerges. It was nice contrast (both to her earlier self and Caulifla) to see Kale being so graceful about her defeat, even confronting Champa and Fuwa personally about it.
- Speaking of Fuwa, his complete 180 switch into becoming madly engrossed in the fight was hilarious. Justifiably so, this is all his idea.
- Seeing as this arc is going to last for quite a while, I'm hesitant to say that the teased fights aren't going to come around again (like Toppo vs Vegeta). The arc's gonna have to finish first before making such calls.
- That being said, while I enjoyed all 4 or so episodes of this fight, reducing them to 2.5 episodes would have been better. Excluding some production scheduling linguistics:
- Episode 113 becomes a composite of the actual 113 and 114 (with that sweet Yuya Takahashi supervision). The first half is an abridged version of Goku vs Caulifla, with both Saiyans slowly adapting to the situation like in the original. Once Goku and Caulifla decide to Kale into the picture, rather than starting in her controlled form, Kale goes Berserk, leading to the second half.
Likewise, the second half is an abridged version of 114, complete with Kale finally mastering the form note , the superior display of teamwork attacks (compared to 113), and Godku wising up. The episode similarily with Godku almost ringing them, only for the Delinquents to fuse into Kefla with a sucker-punch. - Episode 114's first half is an abridged 115. It begins with Beerus calling foul before Champa retorts with his flashback meeting with the Saiyan Trio. While Kefla holds her own against the option-exhausting Godku, a quick rundown of the universes declining the opportunity (spliced with Beerus and Universe 2's failed attempts) is shown. Godku fails, Ultra Instinct's here.
The second half is Episode 116 with a heavy reduction of the peanut gallery and onlooking fighters (minus Whis's analysis, which could be overlaid over the UI Goku and Kefla fight). Negating some filler dodging scenes and shortening the power-up sequence of both fighters, everything else is fine. - I would have also removed any references to competing fights, seeing as they amounted to nothing much in the end, and will probably be finished another time.
- With that being said, easier said than done considering the aforementioned production scheduling for this show.
- Episode 113 becomes a composite of the actual 113 and 114 (with that sweet Yuya Takahashi supervision). The first half is an abridged version of Goku vs Caulifla, with both Saiyans slowly adapting to the situation like in the original. Once Goku and Caulifla decide to Kale into the picture, rather than starting in her controlled form, Kale goes Berserk, leading to the second half.
We've had past scenes where Roshi and Quitela's crew considering Ganos' Gathering Steam ability to be Dragon Ball Multiverse's Broly levels of being potentially dangerous, to the point where Roshi worried about Goku not being able to swat him like before. Later we have that "stronger than time" statement applied to Jiren.
edited 19th Nov '17 3:28:35 PM by XMenMutant22
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