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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#68951: Nov 19th 2017 at 10:59:24 AM

[up][up]There's a lot more wrong about that situation than just who got to kill Frieza. Though, it's not like Vegeta was "owed" killing Frieza at all.

edited 19th Nov '17 10:59:48 AM by LSBK

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#68952: Nov 19th 2017 at 10:59:52 AM

[up][up][up]To teach Vegeta a valuable life lesson.

edited 19th Nov '17 10:59:59 AM by Moth13

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#68953: Nov 19th 2017 at 11:03:07 AM

I mean, "too much" Goku is one of the fandom's buzzwords...even though he's had the best moments of the series because he's the main character. But what do I know.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#68954: Nov 19th 2017 at 11:06:23 AM

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That entire scene where Freeza somehow manage to destroy earth & kill Vegeta makes barely any sense but that doesn't change how Vegeta had Freeza within arms length. He could have easily kill at that moment.

[up][up]

Which is?

[up]

These days I'm doubting that. I'm pretty sure the majority of the those complaining about Goku is when Vegeta gets shafted for him

edited 19th Nov '17 11:13:06 AM by agent-trunks

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#68955: Nov 19th 2017 at 11:08:42 AM

[up]Okay, what do you think you're telling me? I already said the entire situation was stupid.

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#68956: Nov 19th 2017 at 11:11:27 AM

[up]

I tend to have trouble reading what people say, so I often need to repeat what said in my own way to have a better understanding on what's being said.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#68957: Nov 19th 2017 at 12:12:43 PM

[up] Me Too.

Dragon Ball is the Goku show so of course he is going to have some focus on him. tongue

edited 19th Nov '17 12:13:25 PM by GAP

"Mai waifu."
agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#68958: Nov 19th 2017 at 12:19:54 PM

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Focus shouldn't mean Goku the only one who can do anything at all while the rest of the Z fighters just keep talking about how awesome he is.

It's like if the Justice League said the one only who's fast enough to get in time is Superman when Flash is right there on the team.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#68959: Nov 19th 2017 at 12:25:24 PM

Which is?

I think it was something about taking fights seriously?

So glad we focus on other things like the bugs, U2 fodders, & the robots who are taking the time becoming a Megazord.

Seriously the only interesting fighters that are left are U 11 & for some reason people think that's not going to happen.

Yeah no one left seems like they're worth much, but Ribrianne is getting another transformation, and Universes 3 and 4 still haven't pulled out their trump cards, so I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and see where this goes

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#68960: Nov 19th 2017 at 12:28:54 PM

[up][up] Save for maybe Piccolo, the other U7 fighters have got to do stuff. There's definitely flaws with the arc, but Goku was always going to be the primary focus.

I'm more annoyed at the "Ermagerd, Goku dropped his guard again" from the peanut gallery in the stands.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#68961: Nov 19th 2017 at 12:33:34 PM

Piccolo got to lose arms and jump in the way for Gohan, which is apparently all Super thinks anyone remembers him for.

edited 19th Nov '17 12:45:47 PM by LSBK

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#68962: Nov 19th 2017 at 12:40:25 PM

Resurrection F was stupid but it's not like it was shilling Goku giving that he dropped his guard and got his ass kicked prior to that.

Bringing Freeza back and having Vegeta kill him would feel like trying to fix what wasn't broken from the Namek arc. Vegeta does not need to beat Freeza.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#68963: Nov 19th 2017 at 12:42:16 PM

I'm sad that Kefla lost, but at least it was to a Worthy Opponent. She didn't go down like a punk like a certain Saiyan prince that shall remain unnamed is inevitably going to.

She lost to a man who moments before had been beaten within an inch of his life, beaten by an ability that said man had only barely begun to understand. She lost despite having ridiculous amounts of power within her that she was just barely beginning to comprehend, and she lost not because she was overpowered in any grand explosion, but because her earring broke in the middle of said explosion.

She went down like a punk and I'm kind of sad about that.

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agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#68964: Nov 19th 2017 at 12:45:06 PM

I think it was something about taking fights seriously?

The execution leaves a lot to desire.

Yeah no one left seems like they're worth much, but Ribrianne is getting another transformation, and Universes 3 and 4 still haven't pulled out their trump cards, so I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and see where this goes

I would be more than happy if that was the case.

@68954 Lionheart 0

But they did, they were just quickly became cheerleaders when they got eliminated.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#68965: Nov 19th 2017 at 12:45:27 PM

[up][up]No she was very clearly overpowered and being pushed out of the ring. We see her disappear before she splits into her fusees, that was just convenience to get those two back.

edited 19th Nov '17 12:45:56 PM by Saiga

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#68966: Nov 19th 2017 at 1:01:08 PM

-rewatches scene- Alright, but I'm still not happy about it.

Kefla had that fight in the bag and Goku just... just main character'd all over her. :/

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#68967: Nov 19th 2017 at 1:08:06 PM

I don't get being upset she lost to Goku.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#68968: Nov 19th 2017 at 1:12:59 PM

I mean, ignoring any arguments about whether her strength made sense or not, her fate was sealed as soon as Goku went Ultra Instinct again.

Frankly, I'm a bit annoyed with them apparently implying that she was even stronger than him we he went Ultra Instinct against Jiren. Honestly, that strikes me as more "shiling" than anything they've done with anyone else at this point.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#68969: Nov 19th 2017 at 1:24:04 PM

I don't get not being upset that she lost to Goku. Kefla's hair is spikier than Goku's. In any other anime, that would mean she's stronger and faster.

  • It means Goku has another form that's stronger than god, making him stronger than the last thing that was stronger than the last thing that was stronger than Super Saiyan God.
  • We just learned fusion has a time limit, and I was expecting she'd burnt out while trying to copy Super Saiyan 3. Fusion tends to fail because it burns out in this show more often than not.
    • Which, given how bent Caulifa was on learning new forms, would be a poetic ending to the battle. Curiosity killed the Saiyan.
  • Contrary to maybe 2/3 of the Western audience, I actually like Caulifa and Kale every time they're on screen, and Kefla was like... the culmination of that. All of Caulifa's ridiculous power gains and Kale's growing confidence combined into one.
  • And again Kefla's hair spikiness > Goku's. By far.

edited 19th Nov '17 1:26:44 PM by Soble

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#68970: Nov 19th 2017 at 1:25:55 PM

Her losing to Goku was inevitable. I'd only be disappointed by this if this was the last we see of them (which I doubt).

This song needs more love.
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#68971: Nov 19th 2017 at 1:32:16 PM

Alas, poor Kefla.

...

...what was her name a pun of, anyway?

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#68972: Nov 19th 2017 at 1:32:50 PM

Her hair being spiky as a valid reason honestly makes me think you're trolling.

But Kefla had more than a decent showing. She pushed the main character to his limits before losing, that's the highest honor she could have gotten going against Goku.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#68973: Nov 19th 2017 at 1:34:22 PM

Don't worry.

When we need someone to be beaten so that they can show how strong the latest villain is, those two will be back.tongue

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#68974: Nov 19th 2017 at 1:42:02 PM

I'm a bit disappointed Frieza never followed up on his threat to fight the girls.

Though Goku kicked some major tail & proved ounce again he's the biggest badass in the room so its alright. tongue

edited 19th Nov '17 3:46:06 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#68975: Nov 19th 2017 at 1:42:44 PM

Goku has been doing that since the series began.

That's one thing about Dragonball that will NEVER change.

One Strip! One Strip!

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