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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#68726: Nov 16th 2017 at 5:36:27 AM

Battle of Gods inconsistency #347:

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#68727: Nov 16th 2017 at 6:00:49 AM

I think the strongest fighters in the multiverse are the Grand Priest, Zarama, one of the gods of destruction, a future Arc Villain and some mystery mortal who could one-shot Jiren.

There is no surprise there,

"Mai waifu."
Fedetropes Call me Blast, not Fedetropes from Doomed universe Since: Dec, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#68728: Nov 16th 2017 at 7:42:55 AM

edited 16th Nov '17 7:43:48 AM by Fedetropes

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#68729: Nov 16th 2017 at 7:55:56 AM

@ Handsome Robb: What better way to surprise us than Vegeta finally having the win?

I don’t think Toriyama even has that on his radar. If anything, people wanting Vegeta to win would further ensure his failure.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#68730: Nov 16th 2017 at 10:34:51 AM

I'm kind of baffled by Toriyama. If he hates Vegeta, why is he improving him as a person so much and continually pushing him to Goku's level?

I guess it's good that he's not letting his bias interfere with the character's writing, but I'm rather curious why he's intent on lifting him up. GT had Vegeta way below Goku for most of it until he got Super Saiyan 4 at the very end. But it's just kind of strange to me.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#68731: Nov 16th 2017 at 10:37:05 AM

Because he doesn't hate Vegeta. And Super really hasn't improved him that much, so much as it rehashes the same lessons and moments with him.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#68732: Nov 16th 2017 at 10:45:26 AM

I meant more along the lines of why he went from killing tons of people without remorse to "Oh, I guess Kakarrot actually is better than me" over the course of Z. Even in Super, he gets some nice moments here and there when he's not reeing about Goku or muh Saiyan pride.

edited 16th Nov '17 10:46:34 AM by Hobgoblin

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#68733: Nov 16th 2017 at 11:14:01 AM

Pretty much any time he's not acting like his old self is gold.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#68734: Nov 16th 2017 at 12:19:50 PM

Vegeta has grown a little bit. He is a "Family Man" as Guile of Street fighter would say.

"Mai waifu."
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#68735: Nov 16th 2017 at 12:25:45 PM

Dragon Ball Super Chapter 30 spoiler pics are out. According to translations:

Dyspo: Jiren? You were really fast!

Toppo: Weren't you on Planet Toure?

Jiren: I took care of the "Osshuretto seijin". That's why I came here.

Dyspo: Did you actually fly all the way here from Planet Toure..? Without a space ship?

Jiren: Yeah. It's a lot faster this way!

Dyspo: You're a hot shot as usual!

Toppo: Let's do a full regroup. I have something to talk about with you guys.

Jiren: Wait! We must first liberate the citizens!

Jiren is actually Superman now.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#68736: Nov 16th 2017 at 12:47:21 PM

And in one page Jiren's gotten more characterization than in thirty episodes.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#68737: Nov 16th 2017 at 12:51:24 PM

Jiren having character traits beyond a high power level? What is this heresy?

Seriously, though, will be interesting to see where they go with that.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#68738: Nov 16th 2017 at 12:53:30 PM

[up][up][up] Now this is what I wanted. [tup]

This right here is why Jiren is my profile pic.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#68739: Nov 16th 2017 at 1:01:25 PM

Naturally, 4chan hates this change and is whining "not muh Jiren". [lol]

Those threads are really hostile to the manga. And the anime. Really, it's just hostile or shitposting.

edited 16th Nov '17 1:02:24 PM by Hobgoblin

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#68740: Nov 16th 2017 at 1:02:51 PM

[up][up][up][up]I know right? It's strange how much you can do in less time compared to the anime.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#68741: Nov 16th 2017 at 3:08:08 PM

Battle of Gods inconsistency #347:

Vegeta states that he's proud that it took Beerus the Destroyer showing up to do [Vegeta] in. Except for... ...that time when Vegeta blew himself up.

Blowing yourself up before you technically lose the fight is the biggest "You didn't win!" move ever.

Anyway, I'm really glad Jiren is getting actual characterization in the manga. Still sad about what it did to Toppo, but hopefully he'll be back to his old self around his teammates.

edited 16th Nov '17 5:08:34 PM by Moth13

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#68742: Nov 16th 2017 at 3:13:02 PM

[up][up][up] A good handfull of them seem to really like Dyspo, though...

Oh, also the full raw of Chapter 30 is out! Goku is now multiversal enemy #1 because of the whole "losing universes are destroyed" rule. Also, Majin Buu is still considered for recruitment in the manga.

edited 16th Nov '17 3:14:48 PM by Rinsankajugin

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#68743: Nov 16th 2017 at 3:14:28 PM

Blowing yourself up before you technically lose the fight is the biggest "You didn't win!" move ever.

When you say you didn't win do you mean the guy who got blown up by the suicide bomber (hence them not winning since the person blowing themselves up killed them both) or the one who blew themselves up (since they had to kill themselves to stop the other dude).

Because the first way describes poor poor Yamcha.tongue

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#68744: Nov 16th 2017 at 4:29:24 PM

Blowing yourself up before you technically lose the fight is the biggest "You didn't win!" move ever.

That wasn't Vegeta's intent at the time. He was doing a Heroic Sacrifice.

...which his opponent survived, but still...

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#68745: Nov 16th 2017 at 4:47:31 PM

I guess a Superman Expy works for Goku, since he's also one somewhat

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#68746: Nov 16th 2017 at 4:54:26 PM

[up][up][up]I'm saying imagine Vegeta saying that in a very petulant voice as he explodes. The Saibaman couldn't say it because it can't speak, but it was for sure thinking it.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#68747: Nov 16th 2017 at 5:07:13 PM

Okay, the manga did Jiren better. The anime still did Toppo better, though.

Hoping that Jiren's stoicness in the anime's Tournament of Power is just an overly serious morbid facade he's putting on in response to the insane stakes, and his default personality is closer to the manga's interpretation. I'm imagining him letting out a huge sigh after the tournament is over and all is well, and he immediately goes over to shake Goku's hand and hug Toppo, Dyspo, and Kahseral while tearing up in relief.

edited 16th Nov '17 5:09:13 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#68748: Nov 16th 2017 at 5:20:21 PM

[up]

We'll see.

That being said, our favourite abridger has his own thoughts on Jiren, among other things:

You know, I do have to admit he's right about Jiren being different from previous antagonists with his No-Nonsense Nemesis Consummate Professional approach to things: he's got a job to do, so he does it. No bragging about how powerful he is or taking time to kick the dog or any of that shit. He's just there to save his universe, and he's not gonna waste time with other shit.

While I do hope that what little we've learned of him from the manga leaks into his current character (maybe it'll be added in some post arc interaction), he, like many things in Super, is very different from what's come before. I at least like that Toriyama is trying some new stuff.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#68749: Nov 16th 2017 at 5:33:45 PM

Its amazing how they fixed a common problem with Jiren in one page.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#68750: Nov 16th 2017 at 5:45:47 PM

It was definitely an efficient use of ink.


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