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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#68601: Nov 13th 2017 at 11:32:02 AM

The point of contention is the lack of eliminations within those 4 episodes.

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#68602: Nov 13th 2017 at 11:34:28 AM

Okay, well according to the spoilers a universe is getting erased in a few weeks. You'll have your metaphorical bloodbath then, alright?

edited 13th Nov '17 11:34:55 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#68603: Nov 13th 2017 at 11:36:59 AM

That wouldn't make up for the padding enforced by the anime, but it is progression.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#68604: Nov 13th 2017 at 11:38:38 AM

Also, what's "too long" or "too short" will depend very heavily on how interested you are in the characters we're seeing or what's going on around them.

It's not strange to want more eliminations or think more should have happened at this point when that's the entire point of the tournament.

edited 13th Nov '17 11:39:23 AM by LSBK

Larfleeze Agent Orange Since: May, 2009
Agent Orange
#68605: Nov 13th 2017 at 12:45:27 PM

Trio de Dangers should have had a 20 episode fight with Vegeta and Goku.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#68606: Nov 13th 2017 at 12:48:03 PM

If they actually fought like wolves and Yamcha got in on the action, I'd have liked them better.

edited 13th Nov '17 12:48:15 PM by Soble

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#68607: Nov 13th 2017 at 1:10:52 PM

They'd be useless as wolvesss...

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MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#68608: Nov 13th 2017 at 1:15:56 PM

We're probably never going to get away from Power Level arguments, huh?

Whenever something like this comes up (usually between my nephews), I ask a question: Who would be conceivably be a threat to the Saiyans during the Buu saga?

Then we set a scale where there's Beerus at one end, then we go from there.

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#68610: Nov 13th 2017 at 2:10:52 PM

[up][up] I Ts Dragon Ball; Power Levels are ingrained in it's core.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#68611: Nov 13th 2017 at 2:23:50 PM

Man I just love the preview for the next ep.

Ultra Goku is totally kicking Kefla's ass & Jiren has finally taken notice.

That red energy explosion though, I can't tell if its an attack coming from Kefla or something else entirely.

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#68612: Nov 13th 2017 at 2:38:14 PM

[up] Though I get the feeling that Jiren is going to return to meditating once Goku blows his proverbial load.

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#68613: Nov 13th 2017 at 2:50:36 PM

According to some spoilers Jiren is actually going to start actively hunting Goku after this. My guess is that he thought Ultra Instinct "Omen" was a fluke until it happened the second time, which makes him realize that Goku could still be a threat in the future.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#68615: Nov 13th 2017 at 3:01:28 PM

If that's true, then it will probably just one excuse after another about how his "hunt" doesn't just go "Okay, he's right there *instantly K.O. anyone who tries to get in the way*", throw off Goku.

Could be interesting.

edited 13th Nov '17 3:02:00 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#68616: Nov 13th 2017 at 3:02:41 PM

This is definitely interesting.

I wonder how its gonna be stretched out till march.

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#68617: Nov 13th 2017 at 3:04:57 PM

No way this gets stretched out till March.....right?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#68618: Nov 13th 2017 at 3:06:30 PM

By spreading out eliminations thin.

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#68619: Nov 13th 2017 at 3:13:32 PM

Anyone keeping track of people still in the fight?

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#68620: Nov 13th 2017 at 3:16:07 PM

[up] Fortunately, there's someone on Reddit who is!

(Original link here).

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#68621: Nov 13th 2017 at 3:30:35 PM

I like the choice of picture used for Gowasu.

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#68622: Nov 13th 2017 at 3:47:58 PM

Theme of Jiren hunting Goku

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#68623: Nov 13th 2017 at 4:34:20 PM

Okay, never mind about the spoilers I mentioned earlier, they are inaccurate. Jiren does take notice and pay attention to Ultra Instinct "Omen" Goku and Kafla's battle in 116, but there's nothing saying that he's actually taking a more active role in the tournament from 117 onwards.

MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#68624: Nov 13th 2017 at 5:08:35 PM

Gowasu and Godtube will forever be inextricably linked. Who bets Cus turns into a Godtuber in response? ;)

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#68625: Nov 13th 2017 at 6:50:09 PM

Yes, one character could not have a backstory sufficient for the tournament given to the audience over a period of four episodes. They'd be pushing it if it took TOEI more than twenty minutes(not that I doubt drag on ball TOEI to stretch something out).

Look at it this way. Super saiyans existed before Freeza. There hadn't been one in 1000 years, but they weren't new, just in drought. Nameks comparable to Freeza existed before the planet's cataclysm too. Super saiyan god existed before Freeza, Majin Buu existed before Freeza. That he was a nigh universally feared virtual dictator doesn't mean his power level was insurmountable. Freeza himself, in the very volume that introduced him, realized that his defeat was possible, either from numerous saiyans ganging up on him during a full moon or a super saiyan's emergence.

From the other direction, you say that great pains were taken explain how fighters stronger than Freeza had been taken, as if similar effort wouldn't go into one new fighter? That the very idea of doing so devalues the cast, as if the half dozen fighters, as of the pride troopers, able to push post god Goku to super saiyan or higher without any sort of transformation or special technique of their own part hasn't made the main characters seem less super special already?

Yo! Son Goku And His Friends Return was barely thirty minutes. TOEI spent much longer than that on the tournament of power's recruitment. Freeza spent four months training and surpassed all of Goku's post namek training, during androids training, before Buu training, before Beerus training, with Whis training efforts. Saying something got stronger than chibi Trunks in a decade, maybe a little longer, wouldn't devalue the main cast at all, not after four months. Even if it was as strong as super 3 Gotenks, Vegeta already showed he can beat that without transforming now, so it'd still be much weaker than Goku-Vegeta-Gohan-Freeza-Buu, who would the top half of the ten man team.

And that's if we were simply going back to that well, the vacuum created by Freeza's death. It could easily be explained by such fighters not emerging simply due to Freeza recruiting or eliminating potential threats, until one got by and did him in. TOEI, Toriyama? I don't know whose input it was but when younger kaioshin said he would be scouring the planets for power levels, he was chastised by Beerus for not knowing already and told his lack of knowledge was why universe seven had such a low mortal rating. hat was a prime chance to drink from that well. Grand priest and the all kings themselves said they were surprised universes with such low mortal ratings could produce so many spectacular fighters, so they clearly knew even less than the younger kaioshin. With that setup, one good candidate in all of universe seven wouldn't have been lazy writing, it would have been a logical conclusion.

Remember that as is, Goten and Trunks not being on the team in favor of the human fighters is lazy writing. That their tricky attacks somehow take precedence over the kid's ability to transform and fuse. I'm not suggesting that somewhere in the depths of seven's space, just in time for the tournament of power, is yet another rival for Goku, just that when facing the end of their universe the gods managed to find an objectively better choice than chibi Trunks.

And the ten year+ no Freeza gap is just one plausible way of going about it. If that's not plausible enough for you, the androids were easily the result of an even longer period of research and development. Freeza terrorized the universe at large longer than Goku fought the Red Ribbon Army. A stronger than chibi Trunks fighter can easily be fifty years in the making, if that's what you really want. The ancient super saiyans, elite warrior nameks of old, Majin buu, the demons, the gods themselves, they can be catalysts to a new fighter thousands, even millions of years coming, if that's what it takes to satisfy you. Not even necessarily stronger than Freeza for thousands to millions of years either, they can still have only started reaching higher than chini Trunks heights while Goku/Vegeta were fighting Buu, or, Beerus, or Universe Six, or Zamasu.

It still works. Elder Kaoishin himself had no idea the planet of the metal men existed until the Universe 7-6 match. If one of them was half Mageta's strength, they'd be a better choice than kid Trunks. Such a missed development can still tie back into universe seven's low mortal rating being the gods' failure to properly document mortals. Again, they don't even have to be on the level of Goku without his transformation or kaioken, only better than kid Trunks, which is a lot of wiggle room. Even if they are better than super 3 Gotenks, if that's all they are it still puts them in the bottom five if post training Freeza and post training Buu are also on the team.

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