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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#68501: Nov 12th 2017 at 1:14:22 PM

Lack of foresight?

They wrote themselves into a hole when they had to get the Saiyan girls to transform in under 2 days?

edited 12th Nov '17 1:17:25 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#68502: Nov 12th 2017 at 1:15:36 PM

It's one of those moves that reminds you that Dragon Ball makes its job harder than it needs to be.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#68503: Nov 12th 2017 at 1:23:22 PM

But of course, neither him nor Beerus really took the prospect of multiversal tournament seriously at that point.

Yeah they were on team "Hope Zeno forgets about it" if I recall.

If people want to circlejerk about the U6 Saiyans being "different", then what took Cabba so long to attain the form when Caulifla did it in....5 minutes? It's not like she's beyond his level of strength.

Cabba got it pretty quickly too.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#68504: Nov 12th 2017 at 1:36:49 PM

Depends on how much time passed between the U6 arc and the To P. I thought it was at least a year or so?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#68505: Nov 12th 2017 at 1:40:45 PM

It's one of those moves that reminds you that Dragon Ball makes its job harder than it needs to be.

Is that because of Toei, or because of Toriyama?

I'm assuming the full blame is being put on the former.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#68506: Nov 12th 2017 at 1:46:55 PM

Depends on how much time passed between the U6 arc and the To P. I thought it was at least a year or so?

I guess it has. I haven't really been keeping track of how much time was passing between arcs. I suppose the reason is that going Super Saiyan 2 required a high stress situation, and it's been pretty peaceful in Universe 6.

edited 12th Nov '17 1:47:05 PM by Moth13

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#68507: Nov 12th 2017 at 1:57:28 PM

Remember the spoiler/future episode description that said another U7 fighter will be dropping out soon? Based on the foreshadow in this episode, it looks like its going to be 18.

Mega_zxa Since: Mar, 2015
#68508: Nov 12th 2017 at 2:58:20 PM

I'm pretty sure it has to have been a year since the U6 vs. U7 tournament since the Super dragon balls are usable again and they already had a wish granted.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#68509: Nov 12th 2017 at 3:09:32 PM

Do we know what the recharge time for the Super Dragon Balls is? Do they even have one?

DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#68510: Nov 12th 2017 at 4:04:03 PM

I believe they said one year as usual.

Zamasu was able to use them several times in quick succession because he cheated by time travelling.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#68511: Nov 12th 2017 at 4:14:32 PM

How do temporal mechanics even work in the World of Void, given it's outside space-time? I suspect that the rest of the multiverse may be frozen in time compared to the Void

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#68512: Nov 12th 2017 at 4:31:20 PM

If that were the case, why would the GP need two days to build the arena when he could take as long as he wanted and no time would past relative to everyone else?

Maybe they'd need the two days to gather every fighter, but his reasoning was that he needed time to build the arena so....

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#68513: Nov 12th 2017 at 4:40:03 PM

I think Tori just liked the drama caused from being short on time.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#68514: Nov 12th 2017 at 4:40:54 PM

Which ended up biting them in the ass.

The whole 2 day thing was just unnecessary drama.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#68515: Nov 12th 2017 at 5:33:33 PM

My guess is they wanted Frieza on the team, and having a two day time limit was a good way create enough drama to force him in. "Oh nooo! We're out of time and need someone else or we're screwed. Guess we'll have to resort to bringing along the evil Frieza, since we don't have any other options."

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#68516: Nov 12th 2017 at 5:37:20 PM

They still could have just had that happen at the last minute, even if they allowed more time.

I think it was for the general drama and to show the attitude of Zenoh/El Grande Padre

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#68517: Nov 12th 2017 at 5:37:23 PM

If they'd been willing to use Goten and Trunks instead of Roshi and Tien (or just kept Future Trunks around) they could've kept Buu and not needed Frieza.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#68518: Nov 12th 2017 at 6:11:48 PM

What's the logic there? Buu would still fall asleep.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#68519: Nov 12th 2017 at 6:26:55 PM

Plot contrivance. That's all Buu falling asleep was.

Not that I'm complaining, since that was the reason we got Frieza, but it's still a contrivance...

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#68520: Nov 12th 2017 at 6:32:40 PM

I'm speaking in-universe. Goten and Tunks joining the team wouldn't have any effect on whether Buu falls asleep or not.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#68521: Nov 12th 2017 at 6:39:41 PM

Though I do admit, I don't trust Goten and Trunks (non future that is).

They really, REALLY dropped the ball with Super Buu. If they'd stopped fucking around and used Super Saiyan 3 from the get go, maybe they'd have...no, no they wouldn't have. I forgot Buu was just fucking around until Gohan showed up.

Then again, maybe they would have pulled it off. I don't know. The Super Ghost Kamikaze attack did wreck him pretty good, and Piccolo even got them to destroy the chunks afterwards. If not for him flat out cheating by regenerating from the smoke, that would have been it. Add in the greater power of Super Saiyan 3, and maybe things would have been different.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#68522: Nov 12th 2017 at 6:44:43 PM

The difference in power from recruiting the kids over the humans would be negligible at best and the skill gap is too great. The humans all defeated opponents stronger than they were, and took out multiple opponents each. The kids wouldn't last 4 minutes in the Tournament of Power, inexperienced as they are. Notice that none of the other universes brought any children to the battlefield.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#68523: Nov 12th 2017 at 6:50:03 PM

All of that was made up by Super to justify using himans over the kids, it's a load of crap by any other measure.

We saw from the manga how the kids aren't held back much from skill when fighting with their peers, and they're obviously way more powerful even without fusion.

Despite the Copy Vegeta arc, I doubt Super thinks Gotenks is really that weak even if they're bullshitting the humans onto base/Super Saiyan level. I can see them sorrly underestimating the defused kids, but that's just one thing making Super inconsistent to the manga - it's not a defence, it's a flaw.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#68524: Nov 12th 2017 at 6:59:28 PM

Myself and a lot of other people just thought it meant Goku and Vegeta's base forms were stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku during the Buu Saga.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#68525: Nov 12th 2017 at 6:59:35 PM

Of course, I'd still expect Goten and Trunks to botch it.

They have both the power and the potential, but...well, they're kids. They'd fuck up because they fucked up before.

But in terms of strength, yeah, they should have been there, and this is from someone who likes that Krillin and Tien and even Roshi(who kinda made me a believer) are there. Krillin did well before getting cheap shotted, Roshi actually had some character development with his overcoming his weakness towards women (making me think of his world tournament days).

Tien...took out one dude, which I suppose is better than nothing. Feels like he's just there to fill a slot more than anyone else really, but he's luckier than Yamcha and Chiaotzu I suppose.

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