I felt like tonight's episode kind of tempered some of the blowback for those upset over how powerful Kefla was. Here, it was clearly demonstrated she was just roughly on par with SSB Kaoiken Goku.
Unless the Omniking(s) specifically white them out, I wouldn't count on it.
...how would that temper anything? That makes her even stronger than we previously saw.
I know Goku's a jobber, but "just" being as powerful than Kaio-ken Blue Goku is ridiculous. (though she clearly wasn't meant to be that powerful, definitely stronger than Blue tho)
edited 11th Nov '17 7:05:15 PM by Saiga
I think you're vastly overestimating Kale and Caulifla individually. Caulifla ain't shit, for starters, and Kale's Blue showing is completely inconsistent with her God showing, where she was at her most powerful and still got defeated.
Furthermore, Vegetto wasn't supposed to be a good option against Beerus. Yet here, base Kafla can easily beat up God Goku. That's incredibly inconsistent.
Like, it'd be possible that God Goku actually ended up weaker than Vegetto since Beerus held back. But they never set it up that way or revealed it that way, and Blue Vegetto should have been even more ridiculous then.
edited 11th Nov '17 7:23:21 PM by Saiga
Fusion put Vegito and Goku far far beyond where they were as individuals. Fusion put Kale and Caulifla far beyond where they were as individuals. What is the difference here?
Super has been basically nothing but inconsistent, nostaligia fueled fansevice. Must we always spend every single week talking bout it as if this is some new fact despite it being like this for 115 eps now.
edited 11th Nov '17 7:26:53 PM by Jedi1113
Saiga, you're one of the people who supports "base Goku and Vegeta now are stronger than SS3 Gotenks because Goku absorbed Super Saiyan God's power into his base and Super Saiyan forms". Going by that logic, the difference between base and God nowadays should be FAR, FAR less than the difference between them in Battle of Gods, and Potara can make up this difference currently.
While I disagree with that train of thought, you don't, and so you shouldn't really have a leg to stand on to complain. The godly forms were stronger than Potara in Battle of Gods, but obviously that's changed.
Yeah not only is the difference between Kale and God Goku far smaller than the difference between Super Saiyan 3 Goku and Beerus, but the return of Super Sayian God has been so unexplained that trying to make any sort of statement on how strong it is currently compared to his other forms is a fool's errand.

The plot is knocking everyone out.
Thats the basic plot of a tournament arc.
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