I don't mind characters getting phased out to make way for new ones in this series, and don't expect nor want them to suddenly get power boosts and become relevant again. That being said, I enjoyed Krillin, Tien, and Roshi in the tournament. The tournament is big and diverse enough that it can allow for a few lower-tier battles amidst all the god-level stuff.
edited 11th Nov '17 3:04:14 PM by Anomalocaris20
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!They don't need be permanent...
As long as they replace the ones who aren't Karrot and Vegetarian.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.@ Tye Dye Wildebeest Ah, that's because I do indeed think very little of those people.
@Sobel - Again, you're just projecting, and trying to pass it off as connotations. I have nothing against people liking humans. But the sentiment of "my favorite side character should instead be super important because I like them, logic be damned!" is stupid and childish. And I wouldn't even care, if it didn't literally come back all the time with little to no variation.
Yeah, this is a problem with Super - just banking on nostalgia instead of remembering how DB was actually written back in the day. Instead of moving forward and putting emphasis on new characters they just go back to old cast.
Hell, I'll go a step further - Vegeta should have been phased out of his role a Goku's main rival, his character arc reached satysfing conclusion back in the Buu saga, now he's just playing second fiddle to Goku because of inertia. Give new character - like Hit- a chance instead.
Nah it wasn't projecting, you really were being super belittling. In fact, you still are.
Really takes the bite out of a constantly changing cast if the cast isn't actually changing, just more characters being added while the old ones hang around and do nothing.
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No job for GT Getes...
edited 11th Nov '17 3:39:42 PM by randomness4
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.@Moth - no, that part is pretty spot on. It's the other thing that was wrong.
@Tye Dye Wildebeest - people who want humans to be stronger simply because they are humans.
Remove them from the action completely, until it does a sudden switch and makes them the main characters while the previous main characters disappear from the story instead?
edited 11th Nov '17 3:47:53 PM by Shlugo_the_great
Would people rather not see they're favorite characters ever again than watch them sit on the sidelines?
Or just not be near the action when the time calls for action.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.I don't even think Goku needs a rival. But yes, Vegeta is definitely stuck in a rut and acting like his old self because he's got nowhere to go and no fresh role to play.
What LSBK said above me. The roles of the characters are changing, they don't need to be completely written out for that (although I do think that's also a good idea, and the Boo arc went more toward that with GT doing it completely).
edited 11th Nov '17 3:48:44 PM by Saiga
Well the question is, if you phase out the other characters, would Toriyama be willing to do the same to Goku? Because as long as he's around Goku-ing it up, new guys would never be able to really rise up and take their place in the series proper.
This was apparently when Toriyama tossed Gohan under the bus to make Goku the hero again. Can a new cast grow when the Super Saiyan is there looming over them constantly.
One Strip! One Strip!Well sorta, just not in those words. I mostly like the idea of making side characters to fit the current story arc, then putting them on a bus when the arc is done and they no longer fit the type of story being told.
He might need an amnesia story in his fighting ability.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Goku is the main character, you can't replace him since it's his story.
@Saiga It's weird watching Vegeta do his usual stick now, it feels like he's doing it because the writers have no idea what else they could do with him, and he's probably too popular to dislodge from his position.
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OH yeah, they do that. The cast pretty much totally changes up arc to arc.
edited 11th Nov '17 4:03:34 PM by Shlugo_the_great
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Which is what they've been doing. The Future Trunks arc was about taking down two big villains in Future Trunks' timeline, so the major characters were mostly just Goku, Vegeta, and Future Trunks, with Future Mai and Bulma playing non-combat roles because the arc allowed for roles of non-combat importance. This arc is a massive battle royal tournament, so it makes sense to bring along all the side characters who are capable of battling.
edited 11th Nov '17 4:03:59 PM by PushoverMediaCritic
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Is it really his story anymore? He kinda has nothing right now.
edited 11th Nov '17 4:04:26 PM by randomness4
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.There was a point where he wasn't going to be the main one though.
Plus, like I said, new characters would be limited in what they could do if they just get beat up so Goku can save the day. Though I suppose they don't need to add to combat.
Maybe in the end, it's just me and my preconceptions of the franchise that are the problem...
Nah. Obviously, everyone else is wrong.
One Strip! One Strip!

See, as much as I dislike how they are used, I can get that.
They raised up Gohan, and brought in Goten and Trunks, then more or less back-pedalled on all three of them. It would have been nice to see that come through.
But like I said, he never really went full out with getting rid of the old characters. They kept showing up to battles well into the Cell Saga, for no other reason than to lampshade their uselessness. If you are going to totally phase them out of battles, then do it. Don't keep them around when you have nothing you want to do with them.
I mean, I do get that they don't have to be fighters anymore, because there's no way for them to really improve (despite what Super would have you believe), and even if there is, it still wouldn't be enough. So just let them bow out instead of keeping them around as punching bags.
One Strip! One Strip!