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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#68351: Nov 11th 2017 at 2:51:16 PM

See, as much as I dislike how they are used, I can get that.

They raised up Gohan, and brought in Goten and Trunks, then more or less back-pedalled on all three of them. It would have been nice to see that come through.

But like I said, he never really went full out with getting rid of the old characters. They kept showing up to battles well into the Cell Saga, for no other reason than to lampshade their uselessness. If you are going to totally phase them out of battles, then do it. Don't keep them around when you have nothing you want to do with them.

I mean, I do get that they don't have to be fighters anymore, because there's no way for them to really improve (despite what Super would have you believe), and even if there is, it still wouldn't be enough. So just let them bow out instead of keeping them around as punching bags.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#68352: Nov 11th 2017 at 2:58:10 PM

I liked the teamwork the namekians showed in their brief battle against Gohan and Piccolo. I want to see more of that fight.

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#68353: Nov 11th 2017 at 2:59:59 PM

I don't mind characters getting phased out to make way for new ones in this series, and don't expect nor want them to suddenly get power boosts and become relevant again. That being said, I enjoyed Krillin, Tien, and Roshi in the tournament. The tournament is big and diverse enough that it can allow for a few lower-tier battles amidst all the god-level stuff.

edited 11th Nov '17 3:04:14 PM by Anomalocaris20

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#68354: Nov 11th 2017 at 3:01:30 PM

We haven't really gotten any new permanent members to the cast though I guess you could consider Beerus & Whis the new additions.

I'd like for the U6 Saiyan's & Hit to be recurring characters.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#68355: Nov 11th 2017 at 3:03:41 PM

They don't need be permanent...

As long as they replace the ones who aren't Karrot and Vegetarian.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#68356: Nov 11th 2017 at 3:04:19 PM

[up]x5 Eh, I don't see the problem. It makes sense that they'd want to witness the battle that will decide the fate of the world. And having them present to watch or commentate isn't really a bad thing, I don't think.

edited 11th Nov '17 3:04:34 PM by Saiga

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#68357: Nov 11th 2017 at 3:22:24 PM

@ Tye Dye Wildebeest Ah, that's because I do indeed think very little of those people.

@Sobel - Again, you're just projecting, and trying to pass it off as connotations. I have nothing against people liking humans. But the sentiment of "my favorite side character should instead be super important because I like them, logic be damned!" is stupid and childish. And I wouldn't even care, if it didn't literally come back all the time with little to no variation.

I am also with Shlugo about the human characters being phased out. That's something I like about DB, the cast was always changing over time. For me, bringing back older characters is such a huge step backward for the series.

Yeah, this is a problem with Super - just banking on nostalgia instead of remembering how DB was actually written back in the day. Instead of moving forward and putting emphasis on new characters they just go back to old cast.

Hell, I'll go a step further - Vegeta should have been phased out of his role a Goku's main rival, his character arc reached satysfing conclusion back in the Buu saga, now he's just playing second fiddle to Goku because of inertia. Give new character - like Hit- a chance instead.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#68358: Nov 11th 2017 at 3:32:03 PM

Nah it wasn't projecting, you really were being super belittling. In fact, you still are.

Eh, I don't see the problem. It makes sense that they'd want to witness the battle that will decide the fate of the world. And having them present to watch or commentate isn't really a bad thing, I don't think.

Really takes the bite out of a constantly changing cast if the cast isn't actually changing, just more characters being added while the old ones hang around and do nothing.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#68359: Nov 11th 2017 at 3:35:16 PM

Ya know this really makes me like GT Vegeta.

There he's clearly retired, he no longer cares about his rivalry with Goku & has completely acclimated to life on Earth. He's just a dad now & he genuinely enjoys it.

Wait did he have a job there though?

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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#68360: Nov 11th 2017 at 3:35:25 PM

[up][up][up] What do you mean, "those people"?

edited 11th Nov '17 3:35:32 PM by TyeDyeWildebeest

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#68361: Nov 11th 2017 at 3:38:07 PM

I don't think "changing cast" necessarily implies that all the old cast members go away forever never to be seen again or that they can't at least be nominally involved like watching something that affects the people they care about and, you know, the entire universe and thus themselves.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#68362: Nov 11th 2017 at 3:39:31 PM

[up][up][up]No job for GT Getes...

edited 11th Nov '17 3:39:42 PM by randomness4

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#68363: Nov 11th 2017 at 3:41:34 PM

[up] Hahaha so he is a househusband. [lol]

God that is such a hilarious fate the former Prince of all Saiyans & space pirate. Just living in a stellar crib with no job cause he's got a rich wife. [lol]

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#68364: Nov 11th 2017 at 3:42:41 PM

I like how Hunter x Hunter handled it's side characters.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#68365: Nov 11th 2017 at 3:44:35 PM

@Moth - no, that part is pretty spot on. It's the other thing that was wrong.

@Tye Dye Wildebeest - people who want humans to be stronger simply because they are humans.

[up]Remove them from the action completely, until it does a sudden switch and makes them the main characters while the previous main characters disappear from the story instead?

edited 11th Nov '17 3:47:53 PM by Shlugo_the_great

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#68366: Nov 11th 2017 at 3:45:40 PM

Would people rather not see they're favorite characters ever again than watch them sit on the sidelines?

Or just not be near the action when the time calls for action.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#68367: Nov 11th 2017 at 3:47:39 PM

Hell, I'll go a step further - Vegeta should have been phased out of his role a Goku's main rival, his character arc reached satysfing conclusion back in the Buu saga, now he's just playing second fiddle to Goku because of inertia. Give new character - like Hit- a chance instead.

I don't even think Goku needs a rival. But yes, Vegeta is definitely stuck in a rut and acting like his old self because he's got nowhere to go and no fresh role to play.

Really takes the bite out of a constantly changing cast if the cast isn't actually changing, just more characters being added while the old ones hang around and do nothing

What LSBK said above me. The roles of the characters are changing, they don't need to be completely written out for that (although I do think that's also a good idea, and the Boo arc went more toward that with GT doing it completely).

edited 11th Nov '17 3:48:44 PM by Saiga

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#68368: Nov 11th 2017 at 3:59:01 PM

Well the question is, if you phase out the other characters, would Toriyama be willing to do the same to Goku? Because as long as he's around Goku-ing it up, new guys would never be able to really rise up and take their place in the series proper.

This was apparently when Toriyama tossed Gohan under the bus to make Goku the hero again. Can a new cast grow when the Super Saiyan is there looming over them constantly.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#68369: Nov 11th 2017 at 3:59:52 PM

Remove them from the action completely, until it does a sudden switch and makes them the main characters while the previous main characters disappear from the story instead?

Well sorta, just not in those words. I mostly like the idea of making side characters to fit the current story arc, then putting them on a bus when the arc is done and they no longer fit the type of story being told.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#68370: Nov 11th 2017 at 4:00:30 PM

He might need an amnesia story in his fighting ability.

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#68371: Nov 11th 2017 at 4:01:54 PM

Goku is the main character, you can't replace him since it's his story.

@Saiga It's weird watching Vegeta do his usual stick now, it feels like he's doing it because the writers have no idea what else they could do with him, and he's probably too popular to dislodge from his position.

[up][up]OH yeah, they do that. The cast pretty much totally changes up arc to arc.

edited 11th Nov '17 4:03:34 PM by Shlugo_the_great

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#68372: Nov 11th 2017 at 4:03:34 PM

[up][up][up]Which is what they've been doing. The Future Trunks arc was about taking down two big villains in Future Trunks' timeline, so the major characters were mostly just Goku, Vegeta, and Future Trunks, with Future Mai and Bulma playing non-combat roles because the arc allowed for roles of non-combat importance. This arc is a massive battle royal tournament, so it makes sense to bring along all the side characters who are capable of battling.

edited 11th Nov '17 4:03:59 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#68373: Nov 11th 2017 at 4:03:56 PM

[up][up]Is it really his story anymore? He kinda has nothing right now.

edited 11th Nov '17 4:04:26 PM by randomness4

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#68374: Nov 11th 2017 at 4:05:07 PM

[up] Its more just him reacting to everything.

I think Veggie has become more of a lovable loser than Yamcha.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#68375: Nov 11th 2017 at 4:05:23 PM

There was a point where he wasn't going to be the main one though.

Plus, like I said, new characters would be limited in what they could do if they just get beat up so Goku can save the day. Though I suppose they don't need to add to combat.

Maybe in the end, it's just me and my preconceptions of the franchise that are the problem...

Nah. Obviously, everyone else is wrong.

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