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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#68276: Nov 10th 2017 at 5:48:16 PM

[up][up] I'm a "human fan" and I think the androids are fine.

edited 10th Nov '17 5:50:08 PM by TyeDyeWildebeest

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#68277: Nov 10th 2017 at 5:50:26 PM

[up][up]To be fair, Android 17 did a whole bunch of pushups off-screen to become blue level, so you can't say he didn't work for his power.

Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#68278: Nov 10th 2017 at 5:50:41 PM

I'm still waiting for Towa and Mira to appear in the series, or at least get a fun OVA.

I think people just have a problem with the Androids is that they are not that interesting or believe technology is some sort of cheating . I love them, but they don't offer the complexity of the Saiyans and Frieza's race. (Let's face it, this is a fandom that loves to imagine things and write their own stories.)

edited 10th Nov '17 5:54:10 PM by Tomodachi

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#68279: Nov 10th 2017 at 5:55:46 PM

...and the humans do? Humans are the least complex thing around

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#68280: Nov 10th 2017 at 5:56:08 PM

It was stated that the Androids could still get stronger with training, but the way 17 got so much stronger is so cheap is the real issue there, I think.

Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#68281: Nov 10th 2017 at 5:58:41 PM

[up][up] Well, from another point of view: humans make the Shonen Jump crossovers more interesting.

Of course, Naruto is sort-of alien... god damn it I fucking hate that plot twist.

I don't know XD

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#68282: Nov 10th 2017 at 6:00:42 PM

Awww man Goku fighting the Terminator would be wicked.

Huh Universe 3 is indeed a wasted universe. You don't just waste robots.

edited 10th Nov '17 6:06:58 PM by slimcoder

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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#68283: Nov 10th 2017 at 6:05:31 PM

[up] Oh, don't even get me started on how they squandered Universe 3...

Still, Paparoni and the three transformer-bots are still in this. Maybe they'll give us a good fight before being eliminated.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#68284: Nov 10th 2017 at 6:13:41 PM

It was stated that the Androids could still get stronger with training, but the way 17 got so much stronger is so cheap is the real issue there, I think.

Have they ever said you can't get stronger by fighting poachers? No? Well there you go, case closed.

edited 10th Nov '17 6:13:52 PM by LordVatek

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#68285: Nov 10th 2017 at 6:13:52 PM

Oh yeah, speaking of Androids and Universe 3, 17 and 18 are fighting that police guy next episode. We haven't seen them fight in a while.

Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#68286: Nov 10th 2017 at 6:14:52 PM

Nigrisshi was a joke, Narirama didn't last long, Maji Kayo was defeated by Jiren, and Pepsiman is ignored.

Amusingly, I'm liking Katopesla more than Dyspo, just because Dyspo and Toppo, really campy superheroes, haven't faced Frieza, the emperor of evil, yet.

I wonder if Paparonni really is plotting something or will be another joke.

edited 10th Nov '17 6:19:01 PM by Tomodachi

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#68287: Nov 10th 2017 at 6:21:46 PM

The thing I never got about human fans is their distaste for the androids. Why don't they ever matter in their dreams of human supremacy?

There's been fanfiction of Bulma going full-tilt and just Android-izing the crap out of herself and her friends... wait, no, no there hasn't. That was just an idea I had floating around about an AU where Bulma went a little stir-crazy and picked up some cues from Gero.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#68288: Nov 10th 2017 at 6:25:42 PM

[up][up] Man look at that art. [tup]

I still remember how fucking off-model the Resurrection F arc was. My God has this shit improved, Frieza looks fucking amazing. [awesome]

Also damn that guy deserves his own show, heheh. tongue

edited 10th Nov '17 6:26:09 PM by slimcoder

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#68289: Nov 10th 2017 at 6:38:15 PM

His muscles are glorious.

I'm jealous.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#68290: Nov 10th 2017 at 7:03:55 PM

It was stated that the Androids could still get stronger with training, but the way 17 got so much stronger is so cheap is the real issue there, I think.

What gets me is how 18 has apparently continued to get stronger without any training on her part.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#68291: Nov 10th 2017 at 7:04:45 PM

We don't really know how strong 18 is meant to be at this point. She hasn't had much focus on everyone's feats are all over the place.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#68292: Nov 10th 2017 at 7:09:53 PM

He only feats were kicking Super Saiyan Veggie's ass & holding her own against two dumbass half-breed children.

17 even less so. Just fighting an even match with a Kami infused Piccolo.

Damn Cell came before they actually did much.

edited 10th Nov '17 7:10:30 PM by slimcoder

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#68293: Nov 10th 2017 at 7:13:30 PM

Honestly, while I wouldn't mind other characters getting Android-ized, like so many things in this series, the issue is that it wouldn't help.

Sure, 17 and 18 were the biggest dogs in the yard, but only for a short time. They were surpassed by 16, Piccolo, Vegeta, Trunks and most tellingly, Cell very quickly. Well, ok, Piccolo only equaled 17, but still.

I can't fully blame Toriyama for this, as it was his editor who disliked 19 and 20, and then 17 and 18 enough for Toriyama to abandon whatever plans he had for them (and the kind of strategies that would have been needed for enemies who have unsensable power levels) in favour of Frieza II: Electric Boogaloo with Cell.

The point is, even if they all went Android, they would still be behind. Even if they went Android, and then learn Kaioken, they would STILL be behind. Even if they went android, learned Kaioken, and got Old Kai's hidden power awakening ceremony... guess what?

The gaps are too big. Of course, they can't go android, because as smart as she is, Bulma couldn't make heads of tails of 16's design. She could repair him and remove the bomb with her dad's help, but that was apparently it. She can't replicate anything he did, obviously to eliminate the question of why none of the other fighters have undergone android modification.

Well, there's also the fact that they are all proud warriors and shit, and (for whatever bullshit reason that is associated with such things) wouldn't want to change themselves like that. Whatever justification they need to keep those guys centuries behind Goku and the other...and lets be honest, Toriyama didn't need much justification because they have all always been behind Goku.

At this point, expecting the humans to catch up somehow isn't going to happen, because the very nature of the series (the more ki you have, the more powerful you are, and not having enough ki means you're done like dinner), combined with the fact that Goku is an alien who was already far stronger than most humans, and just got even more powerful as the series went on, means it's just not gonna happen. We'd need to go back and alter the very rules of the universe to make it happen.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#68294: Nov 10th 2017 at 7:19:45 PM

I wish those three robots would, to quote Abridged Nail, just fuse already.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#68295: Nov 10th 2017 at 7:24:22 PM

It would be far easier to create plots that use people on the Androids' level than it would be the humans. Though it'd help if the God level stopped escalating so damn much.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#68296: Nov 10th 2017 at 7:26:14 PM

It would help if all the levels stopped escalating so much.

Did the characters really need to get any stronger after they reached planet busting strength?

Though I suppose the gods would be less impressive if that never happened, so maybe I've answered my own question.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#68297: Nov 10th 2017 at 7:30:17 PM

Yes. They just didn't need to get "Vegetto is a joke let's get way stronger than go Super Saiyan on top of that then go Kaio-ken x 20 then get a powerup that makes that a joke"

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#68298: Nov 10th 2017 at 7:30:29 PM

Rob I think you're looking at it the wrong way. If they ever gave the humans some weird powerup of course it would be enough to allow them to hang ten, because the very fact that they bothered to spend that time on them means that they wanted to use them in the plot in a fighting capacity. How arbitrarily wide some gap is doesn't mean anything in the face of the needs of the plot.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#68299: Nov 10th 2017 at 7:33:43 PM

...

That's a good point.

But I guess that means they were never meant to be able to keep up since Toriyama has not tried to find a way to keep them competitive.

Though I imagine he'd have a hell of a time trying to do so now.

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felipelight Teacher from Undisclosed Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#68300: Nov 10th 2017 at 7:44:00 PM

17 is somehow near Blue Level so those three powerups stacked together would easily make them blue, Rob. I mean Kefla is Blue/UI level so with super's scaling bringing them to blue isn't too farfetched


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