Oh yeah, when God Vegeta is beating him. But he stays calm while Zamasu is freaking out after that.
Edit: The anime in general is worse about how the transformations in treated, but Blue is definitely the worst of them due to both worfing constantly and being used unnessecarily.
edited 6th Nov '17 3:58:17 PM by Saiga
Just reread Manga Hit's fight. It is more consistent with his TOP performance than the anime one, complete with having an specific twitch being a telltale sign of a time skip. And I second Saiga, he works better if he is weaker than Goku on a straight fight, but able to kill him with relative ease: Goku knows he can't bring his whole potential and forfeits due to uneven conditions.
It also makes some sense with Goku figuring him out: Goku is a martial artist, Vegeta is more of a soldier.
Anime!Hit was a good fight, true, but it was pretty much "Goku is in a power disadvantage but manages to pull a stunt that solves that" once again, while Manga!Hit was more of figuring out an opponent who has an advantage other than raw strenght.
edited 6th Nov '17 4:07:55 PM by Eriorguez
Didn't Goku then use the original God form to overpower him in the same way the anime had him use Kaioken Blue?
One Strip! One Strip!I never said a thing about preferences. My comment was directed at months of seeing arguments about the manga or anime being better (across several websites) while the other was shit. It's tiresome. Let people have a preference, just don't lose your mind over it.
edited 6th Nov '17 4:45:57 PM by VeryMelon
Bringing back Kaioken, then having Goku and Vegeta on equal terms despite the former having access to an outright multiplier, is foregoing inner consistency for the sake of momentaneous spectacle.
The manga has Vegeta catching up with Goku, but Goku being one step ahead. The anime has Goku being 20 times stronger than Vegeta, except when Vegeta is stronger.
By the way, getting annoyed at people saying the manga is better than the anime, but not reading the manga? "How dare you say the thing I do not follow is better than the thing I follow!", really?
edited 6th Nov '17 4:52:49 PM by Eriorguez
Yeah I really dislike the way the anime has handled the anime's return. Big scaling/escalation issues from having it, and Vegeta just can't compare realistically.
I know the way Kaio-ken was originally written out was unsatisfactory, but I believe its presence created issues that have only become worse with its return.
I wouldn't be surprised if Kaio-ken is dropped in the exact same unsatisfying way it originally was when Goku gets control of Ultra Instinct.
That's really not accurate to several points in the series. It only really started when Goku exited the time chamber to begin with.
More recent stuff has them as peers, which is a more interesting dynamic after the Can't Catch Up angle is played out.
It's not that much different from when Goku has SSJ 3 over Vegeta tbh.
On the whole, I understand the problems with the Kaioken, but it was still a pretty cool call back.
The manga vs. Anime debates are tiresome, but unavoidable. While they both tell the same basic story, how they handle them is different and people will prefer one over the other.
There are things I like in the Anime over the Manga, and vice versa.
I'm not here to talk up which one is better, but to discuss how they differ and what I preferred
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.Vegeta will never use SSJ 3 because he has no need for it, but he did get it in one of the Raging Blast games.
Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.Small thing to check: Hit doesn't have a strength advantage over Goku in the anime. It's made pretty clear, both from his fight with Vegeta as well as his fight with Goku, that Hit is slightly weaker than Super Saiyan Blue. He just makes up the difference with his pressure point attacks and his Time-Skip. Goku uses the Kaioken in order to deal with Hit improving his Time-Skip (which I love, Hit doing a big screamy power-up that doesn't raise his Power Level any but makes his Time-Skip last longer is great), not because he couldn't beat Hit without using it.
Hell, there's even a mini-arc focusing on Goku defeating Hit when Hit's out to kill and Goku doesn't even use Kaioken there because he's adapted to Hit's shenanigans. By the way, there's a win you can put under the belt of Super Saiyan Blue.
edited 6th Nov '17 7:23:44 PM by PushoverMediaCritic
Uh, no he absolutely did. He won by blasting Hit with a Kamehameha through Hit's time dimension, same way Jiren was able to punch him in their fight. I mean, they were both lying on the ground and recovered quickly afterwards, but it's not ambiguous that Goku won that fight. He beat Hit's time dimension, which was the main thing Hit was using in that fight.

Manga black threw a tantrum as soon as Vegeta overpowered him. That's pretty childish.
Ultra Instinct feels more like a state of mind than a transformation tbh.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.