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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67926: Nov 5th 2017 at 3:15:07 PM

The sub line definitely works more with Frost not actually being taken in by Piccolo's ploy.

This is before Piccolo knew Frost was a cheater.

[up] except that in all those cases Goku has acknowledged why he did it, unlike Super. And he didn't struggle with his opponents to the extent where it made no sense for him to hold back.

Against Tenshinhan, his weights clearly reduced his speed more than his power, because Ten acknowledged Goku was already stronger with the weights on. He took the weights off to counter Ten's claims that he had a weakness.

edited 5th Nov '17 3:17:57 PM by Saiga

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#67927: Nov 5th 2017 at 3:16:13 PM

No this is right after Frost's shenanigans were revealed.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#67928: Nov 5th 2017 at 3:16:47 PM

Yeah. It's made pretty clear Goku was mostly screwing around with Tien (with the latter practically coughing up a lung after they traded blows while the former wasn't even breathing hard).

Tien himself realizes it when he notes that Goku never even used the Kamehameha. The best he was able to do was get him to remove his weights.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67929: Nov 5th 2017 at 3:19:14 PM

[up][up] I'll have to check when I get home then, because there is a line before Frost is exposed that I was thinking of.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#67930: Nov 5th 2017 at 3:19:43 PM

Also in the first tournament, where Goku struggled against Nam despite being equal to Jackie Chun later, or in the nice tournament where he and Krillin had a good fight, before being near equal to a guy Krillin wouldn't have even been able to touch.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#67931: Nov 5th 2017 at 3:22:27 PM

[up][up]Even if there is, the context would be Piccolo thinking that Frost was sandbagging because of how effortlessly he was defeated when we know that Frost was just cheating with the poison. Frost wasn't sandbagging and using poison, he used poison because he was about to lose and his vactory from the poison made the others think he was sandbagging.

edited 5th Nov '17 3:22:51 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#67932: Nov 5th 2017 at 3:22:39 PM

The difference is, when Goku sandbagged in Dragonball, he still used enough power to beat his opponent, and if it wasn't enough he stopped sandbagging. In Super he holds back to the point he's getting his ass kicked.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#67933: Nov 5th 2017 at 3:24:10 PM

Maybe he's going senile? He is in his 50s now, and he does have brain damage...

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#67934: Nov 5th 2017 at 3:28:06 PM

Saiyans don't go senile that early. They actually made it a point to mention how different their aging is.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#67935: Nov 5th 2017 at 3:34:22 PM

The difference is, when Goku sandbagged in Dragonball, he still used enough power to beat his opponent, and if it wasn't enough he stopped sandbagging. In Super he holds back to the point he's getting his ass kicked.

I think another thing too was in DB and DBZ, the fights would also leave it intentionally vague just how strong he's actually gotten.

In a lot of these To P fights, we already know from the get go that Goku is the second strongest person in the tournament, and should absolutely squash all but like 7 or so of the competitors.

Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#67936: Nov 5th 2017 at 4:31:56 PM

Found the video to be funny.

Also, opinions on last episode:

  • Pepsiman stole the show
  • Kafla power level is bullshit, but dear god I love Kale in this episode.
  • YEY, Toppo is fighting Vegeta!

Also, I watched the video about Griples talking about Caulifla and Kale. Good video, and I agree with him.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#67937: Nov 5th 2017 at 4:45:12 PM

Honestly, if Super Saiyan Kafla is supposed to be strong enough to warrant Blue Kaioken, base Kafla being stronger than God might make mathematical sense, depending on how big the difference between God and Blue is. The question is how Potara got them to such an extreme level of power in the first place, which I'm fairly confident will be addressed next episode.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#67938: Nov 5th 2017 at 5:23:39 PM

My guess is something about Super Saiyan God not being as big of a jump anymore now that Goku's normal Super Saiyan form absorbed some of its power.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#67939: Nov 5th 2017 at 5:34:29 PM

For all of this bizarreness going on in Super right now, one fact remains true:

Xenoverse 3 is going to be F'CKING AWESOME. Imagine Player Avatar #3 fighting on the TOP stage, fighting some Hopeless Boss Fight against Jiren, learning from Freeza or, better yet, Zamasu!

edited 5th Nov '17 5:36:35 PM by Soble

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#67940: Nov 5th 2017 at 5:35:09 PM

They actually made it a point to mention how different their aging is.

Does that erase the brain damage though?

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#67941: Nov 5th 2017 at 5:37:22 PM

[up][up]Yeah, that does have me excited for XV 3. I just hope that both the XV 1 and 2 protags show up in XV 3, because the cameo from the first game made me really happy.

I have to decide on which of my characters i want to send up- the character I've spent the most time with is my female saiyan character, but my hero from the first game is also a female Saiyan.

on the other hand, I'm not nearly as attached to my Namekian, Human, or Frost Demon characters as I am the female saiyan character.

I'm thinking maybe my female Maijin character, but i've still gotta work on her design a bit more and what clothing she's going to wear.

edited 5th Nov '17 5:37:36 PM by EpicBleye

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#67942: Nov 5th 2017 at 5:37:47 PM

From the sounds of things we're still supposed to think Goku is a "combat genius" or whatever, so, any brain damage doesn't matter (like it's never mattered in this area).

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#67943: Nov 5th 2017 at 5:38:27 PM

I can't wait to have a bigger number than Jiren myself. That's going to be so silly.

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#67944: Nov 5th 2017 at 5:39:26 PM

it legit made me happy when Whis was all like "wow, you might even be stronger than Beerus. Want to become the next god of destruction?" and then beerus yelled at him for giving his job away [lol]

power fantasies are fun

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#67945: Nov 5th 2017 at 5:40:07 PM

Man I'm hoping Xenoverse's 3 TOP is just gonna be a complete free for all including every major DB hero & villain.

Now that be insane. tongue

[up] Nothing's funner than teaming up with Goku to take down Frieza & Cooler in a tag-team match on a dying Namek.

edited 5th Nov '17 5:41:10 PM by slimcoder

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Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#67946: Nov 5th 2017 at 6:16:02 PM

[up]Ao E attacks will be fun!

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#67947: Nov 5th 2017 at 6:27:23 PM

I have to wonder how Freeza in the Tournament of Power would interact with the Freeza from Namek or even Freeza from Resurrection 'F'. It's clear that Freeza, over time, has become more accepting of his role in the pecking order of the universe and grown more reserved and calculating.

On Namek, Freeza was petulant and immature, with absolute confidence in his role as the strongest being in the universe. When he's presented with evidence to the contrary, he has a breakdown and throws a childish tantrum.

In Resurrection 'F', Freeza is obsessed with getting his revenge almost to a manic level and his fear upon seeing Beerus the Destroyer is present and palpable. He's so obsessed with revenge that it's made him impatient, and he rushes into battle immediately after achieving his new Golden form without bothering to use it enough to learn its flaws beforehand. He is more patient than on Namek though, as evidenced by his willingness to train before going straight for Earth.

Currently, Freeza is noticeably more calm and composed, especially around Beerus. He's had a year to process his defeat and mentally train his Golden Form, and its made him more patient and calculating. He even starts planning to overthrow the gods, instead of fearing them like before.

edited 5th Nov '17 6:29:59 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#67948: Nov 5th 2017 at 6:50:57 PM

Ok, having actually watched the episode itself. It was actually pretty entertaining, despite the problems I have still persisting. The art was phenomenal and the first time I kinda felt something for Kale.

The pacing is still shit, but at least it's entertaining to watch shit.

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Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#67949: Nov 5th 2017 at 7:27:54 PM

I wonder which characters are going to be added from the TOP in Xenoverse 3.

Dyspo, Jiren, Toppo, Ribrianne, The Trio de Danger and everyone sans Magetta, Botamo and Dr.Rota from Universe 6 will join, i'm sure. So, Universe 3, 4 and 10 wouldn't get any fighters?

Ganos looks like a Shaman King reject, but he could work, I guess?

Also, we got a best episode crowner in the main page of Super. I added the Baseball episode beside the main arcs, because screw you if you don't think that's the best episode EVAH! (Jk)

edited 5th Nov '17 7:29:14 PM by Tomodachi

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#67950: Nov 5th 2017 at 7:29:09 PM

Eh. I wouldn't be too shocked if we got even less than that.

Then again, we did get the likes of Saibaman and Raspberry/Appule so

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae

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