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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#67851: Nov 5th 2017 at 9:13:14 AM

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This isn't even as long as your typical DBZ saga though.

edited 5th Nov '17 9:13:24 AM by hardcorefakes

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#67852: Nov 5th 2017 at 9:23:20 AM

Compared to what? The original Z anime with all its filler and padding? Dragon Ball Kai? The original manga? Since this won't end until March, I can safely say it's pretty long for a typical saga.

edited 5th Nov '17 9:23:34 AM by VeryMelon

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#67853: Nov 5th 2017 at 9:27:42 AM

It's about as long as...

Has Cyborgs been disqualify out yet?

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#67854: Nov 5th 2017 at 9:28:02 AM

March is, at most, about twenty-ish more episodes (assuming no breaks) so that's about 57 episodes total, give or take.

Also can someone explain how "Kefla" ended up being the translation? Because that makes no sense whatsoever.

This song needs more love.
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#67855: Nov 5th 2017 at 9:28:23 AM

To be fair, I was thinking of the anime with all of the padding, not Kai or anything. But it's comparable to some of the longer arcs anyway, no?

Also, it's lasting until March? Where'd you hear that?

edited 5th Nov '17 9:28:55 AM by hardcorefakes

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#67856: Nov 5th 2017 at 9:29:32 AM

My pacing issue concerns the eliminations, or lack there of. It's been nearly a month without any new eliminations, so the feeling of progress is lost. Without that's it's just meandering around.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#67857: Nov 5th 2017 at 9:31:31 AM

Dragon Ball will continue as long as it sells merchandise and that applies to the Super anime/manga as well.

"Mai waifu."
Larfleeze Agent Orange Since: May, 2009
Agent Orange
#67858: Nov 5th 2017 at 9:39:46 AM

So what are the odds we get an episode where Gotenks fights Kefla after the tournament?

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#67859: Nov 5th 2017 at 9:42:28 AM

Gotenks can't do anything to base Vegeta. It wouldn't be a terribly speculative fight.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#67860: Nov 5th 2017 at 9:44:45 AM

Yeah but Goten and Trunks will have spent the last 48 minutes level grinding on poachers. I think a fight now will be more even.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#67861: Nov 5th 2017 at 9:47:23 AM

>Assuming the writers remember Copy-Vegeta

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#67862: Nov 5th 2017 at 10:03:06 AM

I'm just kinda sad that the god forms have been degraded so much. Like, they never had as good showings as they should, but this arc is really dragging them through the mud.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#67863: Nov 5th 2017 at 10:10:58 AM

To be fair, Goku and Vegeta are still stronger than 97% percent of the entire multiverse with them.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#67864: Nov 5th 2017 at 10:59:49 AM

I'm just kinda sad that the god forms have been degraded so much. Like, they never had as good showings as they should, but this arc is really dragging them through the mud.

I mean, Super has only exasperated problems that's always been around for DB. I was just thinking last night as I was watching Kai; how the narrative kept hyping up Goten and Trunks fusing only for the story to immediately cut over to Gohan being gifted a new power up that already made the fusion obsolete.

edited 5th Nov '17 11:01:39 AM by Lionheart0

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#67865: Nov 5th 2017 at 11:04:43 AM

Similar to the Ginyu Force, Gotenks and the Metamoran fusion altogether could probably be cut from the story entirely with only minor changes to adapt without losing any structural integrity.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#67866: Nov 5th 2017 at 11:08:53 AM

I've said that very thing several times in the past. Someone disagreed with me, but he never convinced me to change my argument.

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#67867: Nov 5th 2017 at 11:10:49 AM

[up][up][up] Exacerbated them, you mean.

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#67868: Nov 5th 2017 at 11:16:04 AM

I mean, Super has only exasperated problems that's always been around for DB. I was just thinking last night as I was watching Kai; how the narrative kept hyping up Goten and Trunks fusing only for the story to immediately cut over to Gohan being gifted a new power up that already made the fusion obsolete.

And then Gohan himself amounted to nothing expect a power up for Buu.

But yeah, I see your point.

The thing is, the god forms by now lost pretty much all credibility they ever had. They went from this awesome power dimensions above we ever seen before to just a recolor of the standard forms.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#67869: Nov 5th 2017 at 11:20:55 AM

Indeed. Dragon Ball's problem has exaggerated to the point where the flaws came out even more in Super. One example is the Super Saiyan forms, the first Super Saiyan form was stated to the most powerful in the universe until the next arc made that form obsolete.

edited 5th Nov '17 11:21:17 AM by GAP

"Mai waifu."
Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#67870: Nov 5th 2017 at 11:25:54 AM

I can see an episode that is just a fight between Vegito and Kefla.

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#67871: Nov 5th 2017 at 11:27:01 AM

Plus, this is just par for the course for the God forms, since they've been underperforming since their movie debuts. God was seen as this amazing new thing that was on the level of gods, yet Beerus, who's the only god that matters, could still beat Goku in that form using only 70% of his power. Then we get Blue and it's seen as this amazing new form that is basically God with none of its weaknesses and, as a form, is potentially even more powerful than God; yet it's still weaker than Frieza and his new form, and the only reason Goku even "beats" Frieza at all is because of both the stamina drain from Frieza not taking the time to master the form and from him toying with Goku instead of finishing him when he could, just to prolong the suffering, which let the stamina drain take its toll in the first place.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#67872: Nov 5th 2017 at 11:36:54 AM

Indeed. The characters are as strong as they need to be in Dragon Ball and Super is just taking this trope to its logical conclusion or it followed the the trope to the letter.

"Mai waifu."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#67873: Nov 5th 2017 at 11:43:54 AM

Don't the transformations exist for that very reason?

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#67874: Nov 5th 2017 at 11:44:22 AM

New forms started to matter less starting with Super Saiyan 3 tbh. Every form after failed to beat the antagonist it debuts against.

But that's just how Toriyama writes his stories.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#67875: Nov 5th 2017 at 11:48:22 AM

Super Saiyan 4 did. sad

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