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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67801: Nov 4th 2017 at 9:50:25 PM

They only established that his line about using 100% power against Goku was a lie. They didn't establish if he used 70% power like he did in the movie, but they did have him state that he used 10% of his power against Vegeta earlier.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#67802: Nov 4th 2017 at 9:56:27 PM

To be fair, it looks like Beerus was sandbagging hard in retrospect. Judging by Jiren's performance, at least. If Beerus is anywhere near Jiren's level, then he could've finger-blocked SSG if he tried against Goku.

I guess he just wanted to be entertained.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#67803: Nov 4th 2017 at 10:00:40 PM

I think whether base Kafla being stronger than God Goku is acceptable or not depends on how much of a difference there is between God and Blue. We know that next episode Kafla is going to transform into a Super Saiyan form that's some kind of combination of Caulifla and Kale's Super Saiyans. We also know that this form is going to be stronger than Super Saiyan Blue, enough so that Goku needs to use Kaioken.

Also, remember how Goku and Vegeta's Potara fusion back in the Buu Saga was stronger than normal because they're rivals, commonly dubbed the "rival boost"? Maybe Kale and Caulifla got a "true love" boost that completely dwarfs the rival boost.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#67804: Nov 4th 2017 at 10:02:26 PM

[up][up] Well that was literally the whole point of the situation.

Beerus has been top dog for like an eternity so he's bored as shit.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67805: Nov 4th 2017 at 10:07:53 PM

[up][up] That's not quite it. Kaioshin said they're rivals, and "that's definitely strongest". Even if you interpret that as being a boost, that would still mean being rivals is the best boost there is.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#67806: Nov 4th 2017 at 10:09:46 PM

Even then, I think the 10% thing is in discontinuity now, since Beerus is apparently still stronger than Goku even after a Kaioken Blue x10, and possibly even after a x20, so there's really no way in Hell what he showed against Quake of Fury Vegeta was "10%" of his power.

edited 4th Nov '17 10:10:07 PM by Ssj3Gojira

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#67807: Nov 4th 2017 at 10:14:41 PM

Kaioshin doesn't know everything.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67808: Nov 4th 2017 at 10:20:12 PM

No, but using what he said to support something that requires what he said to be wrong is pretty sketchy.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#67809: Nov 4th 2017 at 10:21:16 PM

Old Kaioshin also said that Potara fusion would be permanent.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67810: Nov 4th 2017 at 10:21:41 PM

And I take issue with the decision to retcon that, as I made clear before.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#67811: Nov 4th 2017 at 10:25:37 PM

It's still canon now. Old Kaioshin's word is unreliable when it comes to the Potara.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67812: Nov 4th 2017 at 10:27:16 PM

That really isn't addressing my point. Because you're still using his word to support something, while calling it unreliable.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#67813: Nov 4th 2017 at 10:31:31 PM

It's just a theory. I'm just trying to find ways this makes sense, and "Super Saiyan God is way weaker than Super Saiyan Blue" combined with "Kafla is way stronger than the average Potara fusion because of The Power of Love" is the most plausible theory I've got going here.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#67814: Nov 4th 2017 at 10:42:25 PM

Except you're contradicting yourself; so Old Kai's word is meaningless when it comes to being rivals giving a higher boost, but it's not when it comes to "love" being better boost?

Huh?

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#67815: Nov 4th 2017 at 10:58:27 PM

Saw the episode. I agree with those who said this entire fight has been needlessly drawn out and inconsistent.

Really, even having them fuse from the beginning and kicking Goku's ass would have been better than this.

And the more they try and lay on the emotion with Kale and Caulifla the less I care about their relationship. The point has been made, now they're just overdoing it.

edited 4th Nov '17 10:58:48 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#67816: Nov 4th 2017 at 11:01:27 PM

I'm curious, would it be fair to label them maybe a spotlight stealing squad or is that too much yet?

They should really better pace this stuff.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67817: Nov 4th 2017 at 11:04:40 PM

Even though they're getting a disproportinate amount of focus, the spotlight is divided too much to call them spotlight stealing squad.

Maybe in comparison to the rest of the universe, it fits.

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#67818: Nov 4th 2017 at 11:10:46 PM

I actually kinda liked the episode. Like yes it is taking too long, but I enjoyed the art, and I enjoy the characters. I like both kale and califla's bond, and then fighting when they got their shit together was cool to watch.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#67819: Nov 4th 2017 at 11:15:29 PM

I didn't even notice that was a callback. I just thought it was cool that he and the writers remembered that Tenshinhan invented the Solar Flare.

Yeah it's nice that Tien gets remembered, unlike some other people.

edited 4th Nov '17 11:15:51 PM by Moth13

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#67820: Nov 4th 2017 at 11:18:11 PM

[up] Goddamn is Goku a dick. [lol]

And this after watching him sell out Bulma & attempted to with Videl to Old Kai on Kai. [lol]

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67821: Nov 4th 2017 at 11:19:08 PM

A far more surprising episode title would be “Super Saiyan Blue Successfully Does a Thing”

God, I love Herms' twitter.

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#67822: Nov 4th 2017 at 11:26:27 PM

well jobbing is a thing. a thing he very successfully does.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#67823: Nov 4th 2017 at 11:30:03 PM

It was pointed out to me, but Caulifa and Kale kind of come off as the protagonists to Goku's more antagonistic role here.

That said, I don't care as much about Caulifa and Kale as the show wants me too, so I'm not really inclined to cheer for them here despite them being pushed into a corner like this.

Honestly, it would have been better for Freeza to fight them. At least I'd have a reason to cheer them on.

edited 4th Nov '17 11:30:30 PM by BlackYakuzu94

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#67824: Nov 4th 2017 at 11:31:04 PM

Hey now. Super Saiyan Blue Goku beat... uh... Bergamo?

edited 4th Nov '17 11:31:29 PM by Moth13

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#67825: Nov 4th 2017 at 11:36:23 PM

You guys wanna know the irony here?

We shit talk Super Saiyan Blue, but it's still defeated more opponents than most of Goku's other forms lol. Freeza, did a number on Zamasu before he gooed himself, and every other opponent.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.

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