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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#67776: Nov 4th 2017 at 8:24:55 PM

Meh, base Kafla being stronger than God Goku is crazy, but it's not as crazy as base Vegetto doing damage to Merged Zamasu in the manga, so I'm fine with it.

Here's a theory: the Super Saiyan God form Goku can transform into at will nowadays is a lot weaker than Super Saiyan God Goku while fighting Beerus, which was much closer to how strong Blue is currently. Current SSG is weaker because it is an evolution of Saiyan Beyond God, not the original form.

Something like this:

SS3 Goku: 4

SBG Goku: 14

Current SSG Goku: 70

SSG Goku in Battle of Gods: 600

SSB Goku: 700

I'm just spitballing here, this isn't me asserting anything as fact, don't think I want to start any fights or anything.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#67777: Nov 4th 2017 at 8:29:42 PM

I don't mind Caulifa and Kale anymore because frankly, they should have been this strong upon introduction anyway. By extension I don't take issue with their fusion's performance.

But this pacing is sad. No a lot happened that needed 3 episodes to cover, and now we learn this is going to run into March? When the climax started a month ago?

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#67778: Nov 4th 2017 at 8:30:35 PM

In other news, no one screams as good as Sean Schemmel does.

edited 4th Nov '17 8:30:47 PM by BlackYakuzu94

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#67779: Nov 4th 2017 at 8:32:38 PM

Once again I say the English Dub is top-tier quality.

Matthew Mercer is perfect as Hit & Sean Schemmel still hasn't lost it.

edited 4th Nov '17 8:32:49 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Prime_of_Perfection Where force fails, cunning prevails Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Where force fails, cunning prevails
#67780: Nov 4th 2017 at 8:33:26 PM

@Saiga That's part of why it bothers me. If Champa knew this was allowed, then why wouldn't others do it? If he did know it was, how did he know it? This is a premeditated action prior to "It looks cool, we'll accept it!" It just... It creates more problems for me narratively than anything else. I wouldn't care if there wasn't rules specifically set to not allow it.

If rules being followed here, I feel they should've been erased immediately because Universe 6 failed to adhere to the warning not to break anymore rules.

@Melon That wasn't the climax. Just because Goku and Jiren fought doesn't make it the ending. Factoring in the time (how it reached the middle of the tournament) and everything that's followed, that's the midpoint twist. There's nothing pointing to us even being in Act 3 unless we're just assuming Goku and Jiren squaring off and the debut of Ultra Instinct has to be Act 3. The fact it wasn't the third act is what I feel makes it more interesting.

edited 4th Nov '17 8:36:51 PM by Prime_of_Perfection

Improving as an author, one video at a time.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#67781: Nov 4th 2017 at 8:37:31 PM

Heh. That's pretty ridiculous.

I'm just gonna hand wave Kefla whooping God Goku (should we call him God-ku) as him still being tired despite being in God.

I also liked that line Kale gave (paraphrased): '' Blue? Red? Who cares? Lets kick his ass!

It's really a shame that after finally getting Female Super Saiyans in canon (after blatantly refusing to give the power up to Pan in video games) that they've become base breakers. We've all been waiting for this for so long.

One Strip! One Strip!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#67782: Nov 4th 2017 at 8:40:51 PM

Y'all keep saying Goku vs Kale and Caulifla has been a waste of three episodes, when it's only been two, and I know you all aren't implying that Kafla is going to be a waste of time when her episode hasn't even aired yet. 112 was all about Cabba. Caulifla only just showed up to fight Goku as a cliffhanger. Their fight against Goku has only been this episode and the last one, and there's been a consistent escalation of power throughout the two episodes.

First, base Goku vs SS2 Caulifla.

Then, SS2 Goku vs SS2 Caulifla.

Then, SS2 Goku vs SS2 Caulifla and Super Saiyan Controlled Berserk Kale.

Then, SS2 Goku vs SS2 Caulifla and Super Saiyan Berserk Kale (controlled)

Then, SSG Goku vs SS2 Caulifla and Super Saiyan Berserk Kale (controlled)

Now, granted, they definitely could've removed one or two of these steps and shortened the fight down to one episode, but it hasn't gone on nearly as long as some of you are exaggerating, and a two episode fight would be considered short back in the days of Dragon Ball Z.

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#67783: Nov 4th 2017 at 8:42:36 PM

@Handsome Rob: Funny enough, it was a nice callback to where Kahersal dismissed the semi-controlled Kale's power for the same color-changing hair gimmick.

In addition, the way Goku grabs Freeza, right when he was about to backstab him, is another callback.

edited 4th Nov '17 8:43:12 PM by XMenMutant22

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#67784: Nov 4th 2017 at 8:44:54 PM

The main point of it dragging is that outside of Kefla forming, there's been no real flow to this fight. It's basically Caulifa and Kale coming at Goku, which we didn't need 2 and a half episodes for.

Have Goku fight Caulifa and Berserk Kale, and then save Kelfa for the cliffhanger and have Goku fight Kefla in the next episode. Bam.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#67785: Nov 4th 2017 at 8:46:02 PM

And have some eliminations while you're at it.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#67786: Nov 4th 2017 at 8:47:05 PM

[up][up]Still hasn't been two and a half episodes, you're factually incorrect on that. If anything, it's been closer to one and a half episodes of them fighting, what with the other character's fights, Goku scolding Freeza, Kale reigning in her Berserk form, and the birth of Kafla.

edited 4th Nov '17 8:48:03 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#67787: Nov 4th 2017 at 8:49:21 PM

My point still stands.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#67788: Nov 4th 2017 at 8:49:59 PM

This is gonna lead to some major arc fatigue.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#67789: Nov 4th 2017 at 8:51:23 PM

[up][up]It does, and I agree that it could've been written shorter. Personally, I enjoyed it the way it was written.

[up]Even if it ends in March, it still won't be as long as Namek.

edited 4th Nov '17 8:52:11 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67790: Nov 4th 2017 at 8:53:39 PM

Too many callbacks. Goku even repeats his dialogue using the Taiyo-ken here as when he did it against Vegeta.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#67791: Nov 4th 2017 at 8:56:02 PM

I didn't even notice that was a callback. I just thought it was cool that he and the writers remembered that Tenshinhan invented the Solar Flare.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#67792: Nov 4th 2017 at 8:57:25 PM

Nope, Goku says the exact same line from his first fight with Vegeta.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#67793: Nov 4th 2017 at 8:58:27 PM

Still kind of funny how the regular Solar Flare ended up being more useful than Krillin's upgraded version.

felipelight Teacher from Undisclosed Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Teacher
#67794: Nov 4th 2017 at 8:59:35 PM

The only thing I can think of this is that Goku was mistaken on Vegetto not being a challenge to Beerus

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#67795: Nov 4th 2017 at 9:00:25 PM

I've been dubbing this arc "The Callback Arc", which was probably the point. But hey, people were right, Tenshinhan's presence is still in the ring!

Also, for shame Gohan, gotta pick up on the Instant Transmission like Freeza and Caulifla did.

edited 4th Nov '17 9:05:02 PM by XMenMutant22

Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#67796: Nov 4th 2017 at 9:01:05 PM

What in the world is going on here? Will the Tournament of Power end in severe disappointment? Find out next time on TV Tropes' Dragonball thread!

edited 4th Nov '17 9:01:32 PM by Gehayadren

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#67797: Nov 4th 2017 at 9:31:26 PM

Christ, you guys are making it sound like Kefla is suddenly as strong as Beerus & Vegetto when that's not even the case at all. Hell SSG Red isn't even as powerful as people want it believe it is either.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#67798: Nov 4th 2017 at 9:34:26 PM

>The same form that Goku was able to hold his own against Beerus is.

You're basically saying Kefla is about as strong as Beerus :\

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67799: Nov 4th 2017 at 9:34:49 PM

no we make it sound as though base kafla is suddenly as strong as god goku

[up]Being fair, Super has previously implied that that has already been retconned to not be the case with the power-ups that have happened since

edited 4th Nov '17 9:35:25 PM by Saiga

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#67800: Nov 4th 2017 at 9:37:16 PM

Wasn't Beerus massively holding back in the Super fight?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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