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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#67576: Nov 2nd 2017 at 7:15:19 PM

Plague only compares them in terms of favorable screen time and accomplishment. There's no praise on his part for Krillin and Roshi's usage.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#67577: Nov 2nd 2017 at 7:15:57 PM

Ooh, ooh, I know what Goku's new form in Xenoverse 2 is going to be! It's obvious, really, they already went up to Kaioken x 10 Super Saiyan Blue Goku, there's really only one obvious place to take him next for the game: Kaioken x 20 Super Saiyan Blue Goku, duh!

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#67578: Nov 2nd 2017 at 7:35:17 PM

I mean Plague's tone does come off as a bitter fan who doesn't agree with the creator

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#67579: Nov 2nd 2017 at 7:37:06 PM

That just makes him like the rest of the internet.tongue

For those who've watched his videos, the real question is this: does he come off as wrong?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#67580: Nov 2nd 2017 at 7:52:57 PM

I just love how even he used the El Grande Padre meme. [lol]

My God it is well known. [lol]

edited 2nd Nov '17 7:53:09 PM by slimcoder

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#67581: Nov 2nd 2017 at 8:10:34 PM

[up][up]Not to me no. He's entertaining and insightful, but there is a level of jadedness to his tone that I'm not going to condemn his for having just because he's critical of Dragon Ball.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#67582: Nov 2nd 2017 at 8:15:34 PM

[up]

Fair enough.

If we could get him to shorten his videos a little, I'd be willing to give them a try.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#67583: Nov 2nd 2017 at 8:20:38 PM

I think the part I agreed with him most is the strongest person of whatever setting.

I mean its true, you have 12 universes of new untapped potential where you could easily pop out as many interesting characters on par or stronger than Goku like with Hit as you want & its absolutely wasted by turning most of them into complete jobbers.

Its an undeniable honest to God waste & it really makes me worried about how the 4 remaining universes will be handled.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67584: Nov 2nd 2017 at 8:22:33 PM

I'll comment further when I see the video but I didagree with using the universes to churn out more people on Goku's level. It really makes you appreciate the strength of the main characters when you see that it is a rare thing even after you expand it to multiple universes.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#67585: Nov 2nd 2017 at 8:29:43 PM

yea, but it makes every other universe feel a bit inferior, which kinda undermines them as potential rivals.

So it's kind of a catch 22 that'd be really hard to satisfy and would require more effort than what Toriyama is used to putting.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67586: Nov 2nd 2017 at 8:38:31 PM

You shouldn't expect 11 universes to be able to rival the main one, because that would get repetitive.

I wouldn't want the series to become "we just beat up universe 2 lets go fight universe 3" repeat ad nauseum

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#67587: Nov 2nd 2017 at 8:39:46 PM

There's always a middle ground.

Some can suck, some can not suck.

Simple evenness.

edited 2nd Nov '17 8:40:09 PM by slimcoder

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#67588: Nov 2nd 2017 at 8:41:14 PM

We still have yet to see any mortal fighters from any of the supposed best universes.

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#67589: Nov 2nd 2017 at 8:41:23 PM

It is also a bit much that out of 11 entire universes only 1 person is stronger than the protag with maybe one other at the same level.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#67590: Nov 2nd 2017 at 8:42:49 PM

We still have yet to see any mortal fighters from any of the supposed best universes.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67591: Nov 2nd 2017 at 8:43:03 PM

[up][up]That's not the case, though.

Universe 6 was able to produce a decent opponent for Goku and Vegeta.

So was 10, albeit through more than raw power alone.

Universe 11 outright overwhelms them right now.

And we've got four unexplored universes.

edited 2nd Nov '17 8:43:18 PM by Saiga

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#67592: Nov 2nd 2017 at 8:51:22 PM

Yeah I meant 7 others not 11. But okay Hit rivals them, in the anime at least. Zamasu was only a threat due to Goku basically. U11 has Jiren who is just unbelievably strong , but that is it. Yeah it is a bit much to expect everyone to be on that level but out of 70 people you have 3 actual threats. Why bother adding in all those entire other universes if they are all meaningless fodder.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67593: Nov 2nd 2017 at 8:53:52 PM

Fodder can have meaning, it helps puts the stronger guys into perspective

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#67594: Nov 2nd 2017 at 8:55:15 PM

So much fodder then is unnecessary.

Its overkill, the amount should be lowered.

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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#67595: Nov 2nd 2017 at 8:58:41 PM

Yeah there was no need to have 7 universe of mostly fodder. And these are their best fighters. It is the sheer volume that is just too much. We don't need all that to show that Goku and Vegeta have super special protag strength.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#67596: Nov 2nd 2017 at 9:19:52 PM

Then again if every other universe had fodder, than the weaker characters on the humans team would have been even less useful (which would have made sense at least).

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67597: Nov 2nd 2017 at 9:20:23 PM

I think we do. Namek arc level is still meant to be incredibly rare. That leaves a huuuuuuuge range for fodder to fall into it, and it makes more sense to have plenty of characters to fall within that.

If the vast majority aren't fodder, ut really devalues things.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#67598: Nov 2nd 2017 at 9:22:30 PM

But if the vast majority are fodder...then what are they there for?

I mean, in the end it just comes down to most of the same guy that it usually comes down to.

But I think we're going to disagree on this one, so I'm just gonna bow out. I don't have much new to say anyway...

Bring back Yamcha 2018tongue

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67599: Nov 2nd 2017 at 9:28:03 PM

They're there for context and to fight other fodder

Being fodder also means less time needs to be spent focusing on them and establishing their power, so they can be used as a backdrop while you focus on more important things with a waaaaaaay more manageable cast

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#67600: Nov 2nd 2017 at 9:31:33 PM

But haven't you said that anyone weak enough to be beaten by Krillin et al (essentially fodder) can just be beaten up by Goku or Vegeta?

I guess there's a different context here due to the tournament, but that seems like a change of perspective...

And I just went against my own statement of moving away from the argument.

Aw well. Not like everyone doesn't know I'm a hypocrite.

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