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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#67501: Nov 1st 2017 at 5:13:30 PM

Ever since the godly forms, the yellow Super Saiyan forms haven't really been a big deal, so I'm perfectly fine with the U6 Saiyans getting those forms just to catch them up a little and allow them some story relevance.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#67502: Nov 1st 2017 at 5:21:13 PM

What story relevance though? Even if they get those forms, that still means they're behind every adult saiyan from Universe 7...

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#67503: Nov 1st 2017 at 5:38:29 PM

They'd have to achieve god ki, and that would be the ultimate asspull of the century.

Would make Caulifla getting SS 2 look like Shakespearean writing.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#67504: Nov 1st 2017 at 6:06:06 PM

Why is Super Saiyan 2 Gohan called Teen Gohan if he's only 11?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#67505: Nov 1st 2017 at 6:06:43 PM

Because they forgot how numbers work.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#67506: Nov 1st 2017 at 6:08:55 PM

And high-school Gohan is Adult Gohan.

Wait that means current Gohan is Grandpa Gohan. No wonder he peaked, he's old as shit now. tongue

edited 1st Nov '17 6:09:15 PM by slimcoder

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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#67507: Nov 1st 2017 at 6:11:22 PM

Why is it that hard to accept that U6 saiyans are naturally stronger than average U7 saiyans. Yeah Goku and them went through insane training but they also started out very weak comparatively. U6 could be stronger overall since they are more a peacekeeping force and don't have tails to just Oozaru beings into submission. Which I feel hampered the average U7 saiyan since they seemed to get into less on par battles.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#67508: Nov 1st 2017 at 6:16:50 PM

Oh my grief, that actually makes a lot of sense...

It probably isn't the case though...

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67509: Nov 1st 2017 at 6:16:56 PM

Because that's lazy as fuck, the difference is enormous and there's no explanation for it.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#67510: Nov 1st 2017 at 6:21:25 PM

How does being less inclined to violence somehow make them stronger?

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#67511: Nov 1st 2017 at 6:37:58 PM

It means that stuff can nearly kill them easier...

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#67512: Nov 1st 2017 at 6:45:04 PM

I call just as much bullshit on SSJ Goten and Present Trunks as I do Caulifla

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67513: Nov 1st 2017 at 6:52:29 PM

She's done way more with way less, I don't see how they could be seenas as bad as her.

TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
Don't know how to pilot this thing
#67514: Nov 1st 2017 at 7:14:30 PM

I personally don't care about how easy the transformations are anymore.

Actually, I prefer it this way. Because the amount of super saiyan forms they'd have to "earn" is ridiculous. Especially since instead of them each having their own uses, most of them are nothing but huger power boosters than the last. I feel like it would have been better if the forms like USS, ss2, and ss3 were all instead different characters versions of the same form, or each had a unique trait instead of just being more powerful, like SS 2 being super fast and SS 3 being magic based. But Super can't change that, so the next best thing is to just have the new characters be lucky enough to have an easier time unlocking the higher forms... and SS 3.. I guess.

edited 1st Nov '17 7:15:57 PM by TwistedGear

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#67515: Nov 1st 2017 at 7:19:43 PM

Yea, but that doesn't really make them any more special ya know. Like, what makes Caulifa getting Super saiyan and Super Saiyan 2 so special? Aside from the fact that shes' a girl?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67516: Nov 1st 2017 at 7:19:58 PM

Or just don't require new characters to catch up on all the forms to have a role in the story.

If it were justified better, I think Kale's form and SS 2 Caulifa could be fine. And you can work with that.

Hell, making them too strong can also make it hard to find storytelling opportunities.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#67517: Nov 1st 2017 at 7:20:47 PM

[up][up]Nothing. Super Saiyan isn't special anymore. It hasn't been special for a while now.

edited 1st Nov '17 7:22:12 PM by LordVatek

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#67518: Nov 1st 2017 at 7:25:03 PM

The Super Saiyan forms were never meant to be this thing that magically comes only once every thousand years, but that's more on Toriyama for not handling its lore better. If he did, no one would have a problem with the girls.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#67519: Nov 1st 2017 at 7:26:59 PM

I feel like Caulifla going SS2 could've been handled a little better in the same time frame and situation. Make it explicit that Caulifla achieves this transformation out of anger at Kale's misunderstanding of her and Cabba's relationship, combined with anger at Kale for not realizing how much she loves her. As it is, that's a plausible interpretation of the scene, but it's not even implicit or subtext, just headcanon.

Making Caulifla's Super Saiyan 2 transformation actually be linked to her feelings about Kale would go a ways towards fleshing out her side of their relationship, as well as create a more plausible reason for her to achieve the form than the reason she currently has.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#67520: Nov 1st 2017 at 7:28:30 PM

She doesn't have a reason lol. It's just something that happened.

edited 1st Nov '17 7:28:40 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#67521: Nov 1st 2017 at 7:30:18 PM

The reason she currently has is "I need more power to deflect Kale's blast and possibly stop her rampage" which isn't much, but it exists. Even that could work if she angsted over it more.

edited 1st Nov '17 7:31:22 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#67522: Nov 1st 2017 at 7:41:17 PM

I'm not sticking my hand in this hole.

So, what's the highest Saiyan form Kafla can reach?

[down]Doubt it, I'm saying SSJ 3 at most, or possibly a fusion between Controlled + SSJ 2.

edited 1st Nov '17 7:44:09 PM by Gehayadren

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#67523: Nov 1st 2017 at 7:42:38 PM

Something something God Mode.

Maybe.

edited 1st Nov '17 7:43:21 PM by slimcoder

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67524: Nov 1st 2017 at 7:44:15 PM

"The Super Saiyan forms were never meant to be this thing that magically comes only once every thousand years, but that's more on Toriyama for not handling its lore better. If he did, no one would have a problem with the girls."

I've never thought that about the forms, I've never wanted that, and I still the girls are very poorly done

TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
Don't know how to pilot this thing
#67525: Nov 1st 2017 at 7:45:16 PM

I got the impression that Cauliflas first time going SS 2 was like a survival instinct, sort of like how Gokus false supersayain was triggered or how Gohan got super sayain one. Since she wasn't able to figure out how to trigger it again, I'd almost say it's a perfectly good way to give her the form. The only problem was how goku didn't have to explain anything to her for her to figure it out. Maybe the manga or the english dub can fix that small detail, since they just needed to write one line along the lines of "Pushing your energy to a breaking point" or whatever the on switch for that form is.

Come to think of it, most of Supers problems are due to it trying to use vaguer parts of the lore with out making them less vague. I can't tell if they're afraid of upseting fans or if their trying to stay true to toriyamas style of only explaining the bare mininmum of whats going on.


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