I was thinking the same thing.
Disagreeing is alright, but that's a little too aggressive.
One Strip! One Strip!Rudeness aside, the numbers seem pretty much arbitrary. We only have a rough gauge for how strong anybody is supposed to be outside of Jiren ~ UI Goku > Goku/Vegeta > everyone else.
Bulma has recieved a hard deconfirmation for Fighter Z from Bamco. Too bad.
edited 31st Oct '17 6:17:48 PM by Zeromaeus
I didn't even give actual Power Levels. Just rough approximations of how strong characters probably would be compared to each other using numbers as a guide. The numbers themselves are meaningless bullshit, hate them all you want. I was just proving a point about how adding Vegetto and/or Kaioken makes Beerus phenomenally more powerful than Blue Goku than he would be without them.
I meant they weren't the actual Power Levels used in the series. If they were, Blue Goku would be closer to 7,000,000,000,000 than 10.
Which looks better and is easier to understand:
Blue Goku: g
KKx20 Blue Goku: g20
Merged Zamasu: z > g20
Blue Vegetto: v >= z > g20
Beerus: b >=< v >= z > g20
Ultra Instinct Goku: u > b >=< v >= z > g20
Or what I did last page, where I replaced the variables with placeholder numbers and estimated from there?
edited 31st Oct '17 7:26:10 PM by PushoverMediaCritic
Math stinks though, so both end up looking negative.
Just to say.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.There's really not that much higher they can go after Ultra Instinct. I'm betting Goku's going to beat Jiren with a non-Omen variation of the form, and future arcs are going to focus on a smaller threat scale until the ultimate final battle, where Goku surpasses Ultra Instinct with a new form. This new form is going to rival the Grand Priest and will be the final form of the franchise.
edited 31st Oct '17 8:12:07 PM by PushoverMediaCritic
I'm sure Toriyama will find a way to make the next dude even more powerful.
He always does.
One Strip! One Strip!
x5 Right - powers in DB are linear enough that they can be represented on a numerical scale.
But that doesn't mean fans producing their own numbers has much behind it.
The common consensus here seems to be not caring for the numbers.
But I missed this in my last post - I agree with Pushover, the original draft for the arc seemed to line up with the movies' idea of not being that far from Beerus. I actually think that the complete/masteres SSB might be where Toriyama saw them in relation to Beerus on the original scale - they can fight on par with him but are instantly defeated by his full power.
edited 31st Oct '17 8:16:47 PM by Saiga

...do you need to be that rude about it?
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!