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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#67426: Oct 31st 2017 at 5:08:43 PM

...do you need to be that rude about it?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#67427: Oct 31st 2017 at 5:11:52 PM

I was thinking the same thing.

Disagreeing is alright, but that's a little too aggressive.

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#67428: Oct 31st 2017 at 5:15:08 PM

Rudeness aside, the numbers seem pretty much arbitrary. We only have a rough gauge for how strong anybody is supposed to be outside of Jiren ~ UI Goku > Goku/Vegeta > everyone else.

Bulma has recieved a hard deconfirmation for Fighter Z from Bamco. Too bad.

edited 31st Oct '17 6:17:48 PM by Zeromaeus

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#67429: Oct 31st 2017 at 6:25:31 PM

I didn't even give actual Power Levels. Just rough approximations of how strong characters probably would be compared to each other using numbers as a guide. The numbers themselves are meaningless bullshit, hate them all you want. I was just proving a point about how adding Vegetto and/or Kaioken makes Beerus phenomenally more powerful than Blue Goku than he would be without them.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#67430: Oct 31st 2017 at 6:27:41 PM

I mean, they're effectively power levels because you're using them to represent character's strength if only relative to one another. Sharknado was rude about it though.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#67431: Oct 31st 2017 at 6:45:37 PM

I meant they weren't the actual Power Levels used in the series. If they were, Blue Goku would be closer to 7,000,000,000,000 than 10.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#67432: Oct 31st 2017 at 7:06:16 PM

Its still a defined scaling, which the series lacks at this point. The numbers don't matter. Character strength relative to each other is really too ambiguous to apply any numbers, regardless of scale.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#67433: Oct 31st 2017 at 7:10:55 PM

Kaioken x 20 is a pretty explicit number, so I mostly went from there.

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#67434: Oct 31st 2017 at 7:14:31 PM

Yeah, I was being a dick. My bad.

My various fanfics.
Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#67435: Oct 31st 2017 at 7:16:35 PM

x20 relative to what, though? 20x = y doesn't give a tangible value to x or y.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#67436: Oct 31st 2017 at 7:24:42 PM

Which looks better and is easier to understand:

Blue Goku: g

KKx20 Blue Goku: g20

Merged Zamasu: z > g20

Blue Vegetto: v >= z > g20

Beerus: b >=< v >= z > g20

Ultra Instinct Goku: u > b >=< v >= z > g20

Or what I did last page, where I replaced the variables with placeholder numbers and estimated from there?

edited 31st Oct '17 7:26:10 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#67437: Oct 31st 2017 at 7:32:26 PM

Math stinks though, so both end up looking negative.

Just to say.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#67438: Oct 31st 2017 at 7:39:20 PM

Wait, Goku can use Kaioken x20 with Blue now? I thought he was still at x10 max.

Oh right, the Jiren special.

edited 31st Oct '17 7:40:05 PM by Hobgoblin

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#67439: Oct 31st 2017 at 7:57:40 PM

That and the whole scaling thing Toriyama did back when Battle of Gods was still recent, which kind of shows that in his mind, he never fully got rid of numbered comparisons.

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Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#67440: Oct 31st 2017 at 8:06:34 PM

So, how many of you think that Ultra Instinct will be eclipsed in the next few arcs?

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#67441: Oct 31st 2017 at 8:11:39 PM

There's really not that much higher they can go after Ultra Instinct. I'm betting Goku's going to beat Jiren with a non-Omen variation of the form, and future arcs are going to focus on a smaller threat scale until the ultimate final battle, where Goku surpasses Ultra Instinct with a new form. This new form is going to rival the Grand Priest and will be the final form of the franchise.

edited 31st Oct '17 8:12:07 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#67442: Oct 31st 2017 at 8:13:46 PM

Or...the series ends after this. I mean, don't we technically have just as many main arcs now as GT and Z?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#67443: Oct 31st 2017 at 8:15:11 PM

I'm sure Toriyama will find a way to make the next dude even more powerful.

He always does.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67444: Oct 31st 2017 at 8:16:17 PM

[up]x5 Right - powers in DB are linear enough that they can be represented on a numerical scale.

But that doesn't mean fans producing their own numbers has much behind it.

The common consensus here seems to be not caring for the numbers.

But I missed this in my last post - I agree with Pushover, the original draft for the arc seemed to line up with the movies' idea of not being that far from Beerus. I actually think that the complete/masteres SSB might be where Toriyama saw them in relation to Beerus on the original scale - they can fight on par with him but are instantly defeated by his full power.

edited 31st Oct '17 8:16:47 PM by Saiga

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#67445: Oct 31st 2017 at 8:17:22 PM

Would that have made it just SSB at 100% then?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#67446: Oct 31st 2017 at 8:18:15 PM

@PMC: No, we wait for Gohan Blanco to beat El Grande Padre.

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#67447: Oct 31st 2017 at 8:19:06 PM

Who is actually Future Goten somehow.

And then this ends up creating the RWBY universe, as they turn out to be the two brothers from its creation myth.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#67448: Oct 31st 2017 at 8:20:52 PM

There's really not that much higher they can go after Ultra Instinct.

Ultra Instinct 2? tongue

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#67449: Oct 31st 2017 at 8:21:29 PM

Wasn't another new form seen in some recent promos?

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#67450: Oct 31st 2017 at 8:23:55 PM

Please no. I was just kidding. sad

edited 31st Oct '17 8:24:10 PM by Hobgoblin


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