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Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#67401: Oct 31st 2017 at 10:36:39 AM

Nappa and Captain Ginyu join Fighter Z, also, $35 season pass, and it comes to Europe and America on 1/26/18.

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
Don't know how to pilot this thing
#67402: Oct 31st 2017 at 10:41:57 AM

[up][up]Hop's on my wish list of female fighters, as are Ribrianes trio and the saiyans(even Gine, despite my dislike of DB minus she's still a charming character in fusions and her using a meat cleaver and passive attacks could be a neat set up.) but Launch and Future mai are at the top because they've got more history.

Since I'm still on a xenoverse 2 kick, Why couldn't they have made the saiyan meatery/bar be the place where the sayain hero starts their journey? They didn't have the namekian hero start with piccolo.... But all the sayain gets is vegeta being chewed out by bulma, and the humans focus on Gohan and videl...

edited 31st Oct '17 10:44:53 AM by TwistedGear

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#67403: Oct 31st 2017 at 11:26:04 AM

Wasn't there some game that had Bulma piloting a battle suit of some kind?

TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
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#67404: Oct 31st 2017 at 12:23:19 PM

[up] not sure about that but I think the first budokai game had a hidden playable bulma that used capsules to attack.

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#67405: Oct 31st 2017 at 12:27:11 PM

I think you could hack Budoukai 3 to use Bulma as a skin for Videl, with Gohan instead of Vegeta.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#67406: Oct 31st 2017 at 12:28:04 PM

Bulma is the strongest character in Dragon Ball, so they'd need to nerf her if she was playable.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#67407: Oct 31st 2017 at 12:37:09 PM

The only times I can think of Bulma being playable are Heroes and Origins.

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#67408: Oct 31st 2017 at 1:02:38 PM

Bulma was playable in the Evolution game.

For anyone curious, here's the number of female characters in the Tournament of Power, by Universe.

U2: 4

U3: 0 (though half of their team is robots)

U4: 4

U6: 2

U7: 1

U9: 2

U10: 1

U11: 1

So 15 total female characters, 14 of which were introduced in this arc.

edited 31st Oct '17 1:03:39 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#67409: Oct 31st 2017 at 1:37:44 PM

There's an interview in Volume 4 of the manga with Toriyama and Toyotarou. Some bullet points:

  • Toriyama got the inspiration for Goku Black from other Evil Counterpart characters like Fake Ultra Man and Fake Kamen Rider.

  • Goku and Vegeta fusing wasn't in Toriyama's original draft of the Future Trunks arc. That was Toyotaro's idea, to meet "fan expectations" and create a situation where they had no choice but to fuse since their personalities would prevent them from fusing after the Buu Saga. Toriyama agreed with it and says that it was a good idea.

  • As part of the above, Merged Zamasu wasn't that strong in the original draft, aside from his immortality. Two Super Saiyan Blues could handle him.

  • Trunks training with Shin and getting healing powers was Toyotaro's idea, as was Vegeta going Super Saiyan God, though Toriyama supervised that second part.

  • Many of the "twists and turns" leading up to Goku's final showdown with Zamasu were also Toyotaro's ideas, though they don't elaborate on which ones.

  • For the Future Trunks arc, most of the time Toriyama approved Toyotaro's manga rough drafts, but he did offer corrections sometimes. He says that before while Toyotaro was just "chasing after my DB", now he's starting to show his own color. However, Toriyama thinks that Toyotaro's battles scenes are too "careful" and that it'd be better if he drew them with a rougher touch.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#67410: Oct 31st 2017 at 1:58:00 PM

Eh, to be honest this doesn't change much or affect my opinion on Super.

edited 31st Oct '17 2:05:48 PM by VeryMelon

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67411: Oct 31st 2017 at 2:01:40 PM

Not surprised by Merged Zamasu being weak or Vegetto not being Toriyama's idea. When it happened in the anime, I had thought it wouldn't be in Toriyama's outline.

I'm really glad we're getting this level of detail in the interviews. I hope we get one during/after the TOP.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#67412: Oct 31st 2017 at 2:12:57 PM

Well, this does technically mean Vegito was part of Toriyama's outline. It's just the idea to add him wasn't his.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#67413: Oct 31st 2017 at 3:05:25 PM

Interesting to hear that Toyotarou suggested bringing back Vegetto.

It also explains why he failed to win the fight. I'm guessing the moment Toriyama heard the term fan expectations he immediately brainstormed ways to dash them to pieces.tongue

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#67414: Oct 31st 2017 at 3:06:50 PM

Doesn’t this also mean that Goku both learning the Mafuba, and him failing to use it on Future Zamasu, were also Toyotaro’s ideas?

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#67415: Oct 31st 2017 at 3:09:24 PM

No, that's still Toriyama. It was in both the anime and the manga, so those ideas were decided on and included on his say so. Toyo may have made the suggestion to add Vegito, but it was still up to Toriyama to add it to his outline.

edited 31st Oct '17 3:15:31 PM by VeryMelon

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#67416: Oct 31st 2017 at 3:09:42 PM

If it was, it would say so I'd think.

I'd say it's a toss up on that one. We'll have to wait and see what they say about it.

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#67417: Oct 31st 2017 at 3:14:46 PM

Many of the "twists and turns" leading up to Goku's final showdown with Zamasu were also Toyotaro's ideas, though they don't elaborate on which ones.

Seems more like he suggested a lot of the later ideas involving the arc.

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#67418: Oct 31st 2017 at 4:25:54 PM

I'm guessing these reveals mean that the difference between Blue Goku and Beerus actually wasn't intended to be as ridiculously huge as it is nowadays, with Beerus being anywhere from 40-400 times stronger.

In Resurrection 'F', Whis says that Goku and Vegeta working together in Blue might be able to beat Beerus. Toriyama's original draft for the Future Trunks arc had Goku and Vegeta working together in Blue actually be enough to beat Merged Zamasu. If Vegetto and Kaioken weren't thrown in there, I'm guessing Ultra Instinct would only need to be 2-3 times stronger than Blue for it to surpass Beerus and match Jiren.

edited 31st Oct '17 4:38:47 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#67419: Oct 31st 2017 at 4:31:59 PM

While they didn't go all out in the manga Belmoud & Beerus appear even at least.

So if Goku triumphs over Jiren who is stronger than Belmoud who is Beerus' equal than Goku is stronger than Beerus.

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#67420: Oct 31st 2017 at 4:32:17 PM
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#67421: Oct 31st 2017 at 4:37:48 PM

I have to assume that was the original ending, unlike Vegetto it's too plot-important to change.

edited 31st Oct '17 4:38:08 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#67422: Oct 31st 2017 at 4:45:06 PM

Merged Zamasu being beaten by teamwork would have actually made something of RF's focus on that instead of going in the other direction and making their teamwork worse.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#67423: Oct 31st 2017 at 4:48:38 PM

...

Thinking of it that way, I'm feeling like going with Vegetto was the worse choice.

Then again, you could say that choosing to become Vegetto again (even if it was only because they knew it wouldn't be permanent this time) is the culmination of that. There's no greater form of working together than literally fusing into one being.

Of course, they only did that because they literally had no other options.

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#67424: Oct 31st 2017 at 4:53:55 PM

Here's how the power-scaling works with Vegetto and Kaioken:

Blue Goku: 10

KKx20 Blue Goku: 200

Merged Zamasu: 375

Blue Vegetto: 400 (fusion being a 40x multiplier is the absolute minimum I can make it go without compromising the integrity of the Buu Saga)

Beerus: 400

Ultra Instinct Goku: 450

Here's power scaling without Vegetto or Kaioken:

Blue Goku: 10

Merged Zamasu: 16

Beerus: 18

Ultra Instinct Goku: 20

edited 31st Oct '17 4:55:33 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#67425: Oct 31st 2017 at 5:05:46 PM

How far up your ass did you pull those numbers from?

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