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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#67326: Oct 30th 2017 at 2:21:56 PM

It's either white or blue...

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TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
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#67327: Oct 30th 2017 at 2:30:16 PM

Pretty sure buu pulled more from janemba than janemba pulled from buu. Since the potora was made because of that movie, meaning all the similiarities to kid buu would be because toryama took them from janemba. I'll give you hirudegarn given that the cahracters introduced were also copies of other buu saga characters.

Might actually be interesting if the tournament ends with someone still being fused, resultig in a tie with a universe that has one less fighter since they're technically one person at that moment. ....

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#67328: Oct 30th 2017 at 2:33:18 PM

...None of that follows. Toriyama made the potara because the movie fused Goku and Vegeta before he got the chance to and he didn't just want to do the same thing. That in no way implies anything about Buu was taken from Janemba.

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#67329: Oct 30th 2017 at 2:44:02 PM

I don't see what's so special about Ultimate Gohan white aura. White is pretty much the default aura color.

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#67330: Oct 30th 2017 at 2:45:34 PM

Maybe if it’s an opaque heavenly white?

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#67331: Oct 30th 2017 at 2:48:00 PM

Its a rather striking white.

Normal ki white isn't that solid of a color.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#67332: Oct 30th 2017 at 2:50:31 PM

...None of that follows. Toriyama made the potara because the movie fused Goku and Vegeta before he got the chance to and he didn't just want to do the same thing. That in no way implies anything about Buu was taken from Janemba.

I think the logic is that Toriyama hadn't planned as far ahead as Kid Buu by the time Fusion Reborn came out so Janemba had first dibs on any similarities to Kid Buu.

edited 30th Oct '17 2:50:38 PM by LordVatek

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#67333: Oct 30th 2017 at 2:58:16 PM

I kind of want Kafla to eliminate Vegeta given how much he's dissed fusion before the Universe 6 tournament. tongue

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#67334: Oct 30th 2017 at 3:08:16 PM

Looking at Jiren, dude's got some interesting proportions. While his crazy shoulder and ribcage width is obvious, something that's not so much is the length of his torso. From collarbone to hipbone, Jiren's torso is really tall. His arms and legs are also shorter in comparison to his body. Standing straight up, his hands barely reach his crotch. These subtle design details are probably why fan works of Jiren tend to look off-model, people want to draw him with longer legs and a shorter body, like many other characters in this series, when his proportions (aside from his arm length and shoulder width) are closer to Micheal Phelps than Goku.

edited 30th Oct '17 3:11:46 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67335: Oct 30th 2017 at 3:27:28 PM

Janemba is clearly based on Evil/Super Boo, he's more similar to them than he is to pure Boo.

The talking thing is similar but none of Janemba's forms talked

edited 30th Oct '17 3:27:37 PM by Saiga

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#67336: Oct 30th 2017 at 3:37:10 PM

Yea, all of the movies are kind of abridged versions of canon stories with the Broly movies being the exception...hilariously.

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#67337: Oct 30th 2017 at 3:42:02 PM

I hope Janemba gets in Fighter Z as dlc (as I assume any movie villains will be). He had such a cool set of moves.

edited 30th Oct '17 3:42:06 PM by Moth13

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#67338: Oct 30th 2017 at 4:02:48 PM

Broly does borrow some cues from the Vegeta vs Perfect Cell fight when Vegeta try to kick Broly in the back of his neck and when he tried to blast Broly and failed before he transformed.

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#67339: Oct 30th 2017 at 4:11:03 PM

One year later, different dub, still the same laugh.

edited 30th Oct '17 4:11:41 PM by Tomodachi

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#67340: Oct 30th 2017 at 4:21:23 PM

The hilarious part about Majin Buu is that he was originally Magic Cell.

Then, Janemba was created based on Buu, as some eldritch monster born from the darkness of Hell or something.

Then, Toriyama retcons Majin Buu to make him more of an ancient monster born out of the darkness of humankind, effectively making him more similar to Janemba than Cell.

At least Babidi being a clone isn't that weird.

Also, I kind of agree with the Post-Broly villains being more original than say, Evil Goku, King Slug, Shredder Frieza, Inmortal Pilaf, etc. Bojack was fun, too bad he had no personality or motivations whatsoever. Even Turles had one.

edited 30th Oct '17 4:25:28 PM by Tomodachi

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#67341: Oct 30th 2017 at 4:24:30 PM

Boo doesn't really have that many similarities to Cell.

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#67342: Oct 30th 2017 at 4:28:07 PM

Actually, he does to a certain extent, expecially when he became Super Buu. Is not an outright clone.

Zamasu and Black also share similarities with the androids, but they can't be called clones on anyone (Not even Turles).

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#67343: Oct 30th 2017 at 4:28:19 PM

Nah, the retcon was that Buu had always existed in Universe 7, but the filthy ningens corrupted him with their evils. Which, you might remember, is exactly the same as Demon King Piccolo's backstory. Seems like no matter what, Buu is a ripoff of someone.[lol]

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#67344: Oct 30th 2017 at 4:34:10 PM

I just now realized that the stronger every Dragon Ball villain gets, the less interesting they become.

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#67345: Oct 30th 2017 at 4:40:29 PM

[up]Maybe thats why supers basically stopped using villians. Even zamasu was more morally grey than most villians we see in dragonball. And Goku Black seemed to flip flop between Zamasu and a slightly more blood thirsty goku at times.

Again weaker villians with more elaborate plots might be the way to go. Less Freiza force and more Red Ribbon, please.

Also it wasn't until kid buu that they really started playing up the "pure, concitrated evil" thing. I just feel that janemba is different enough from buu that lumping him in with characters like Slug and Android 13 is unfair to his character(yes,yes, even though theres so little of it). Like, he wasn't just some ancient evil demon, or a lost experiment of bibidis, he fit with the current asthetic of dragonball (magic and demons) while not forcing a conection with one of the in series villians (Though maybe they had a villian quota that the hell invasion covered).

edited 30th Oct '17 4:45:57 PM by TwistedGear

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#67346: Oct 30th 2017 at 4:43:29 PM

See also: Shrug of God. [nja]

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#67347: Oct 30th 2017 at 4:44:43 PM

[up][up]It applies to antagonists too so ironically, Super has an example where that wasn't the case. Hit is way more interesting now than he was before he fought Goku.

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#67348: Oct 30th 2017 at 4:45:14 PM

[up]x6 How? Personality wise they have nothing in common, they have similar powers in a very broad sense (regeneration and absorption - the latter is very different between the two) and you have to really simplify their creation to draw similarities there.

edited 30th Oct '17 4:48:31 PM by Saiga

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#67349: Oct 30th 2017 at 4:55:31 PM

I just now realized that the stronger every Dragon Ball villain gets, the less interesting they become.

Jiren is a good example of that, albeit more antagonist than villain. Pretty much. I'd say it hit Cell the hardest, though.

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#67350: Oct 30th 2017 at 5:00:29 PM

[up][up] I'm going to have to completely disagree with you on the Buu and cell being disimiliar. Since supper buu after absorbing Gotenks and piccolo had darn near the same personality, he used the Z warriors abilities against them (not like freiza or vegetas disc attacks, it was clearly Lampshaded as the same technique almost eveery time for cell and buu) He killed or absorbed the early villians before becoming the solo threat. His primary mode of transformation was asorbing others. He learned instant transmision during the final act, and was defeated and killed in a ki based power strungle that required multiple assists. Heck if you treat gotenks as trunks (which lets be honest, that's all he is, nothing of gotenks' personality is in there.) He actually fought the same people cell did minus the androids, just in a different order. Piccolo, Vegeta, Goku, Gohan, Hercule, Trunks in a new form that carries a drawback, he even had a short encounter with tien.

[up] Cell was pretty good to start, but the cell games felt like a lead up to a piccolo style redemtion for him that never happened. So, not too interesting at the end, but hey, points for the build up. Personally Vegeta was the only Interesting main villian in Z for me until Super did some things with Frieza that made him more interesting in hindsight.

edited 30th Oct '17 5:04:25 PM by TwistedGear


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