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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#67176: Oct 28th 2017 at 8:37:06 PM

Can someone post that calendar again? I wanna see the characters on it.

Damn Kafla has been in the opening this entire time, now that is impressive. Should be interesting in what this leads too.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#67178: Oct 28th 2017 at 8:41:33 PM

[up][up][up][up] I'm guessing the big finish for 3 will be a focus episode with 18 & 17 taking on/down Paparoni (what with the vague mad scientist / robotization connection there), ending with him gone, Universe 3 gone, but one or more likely both of them knocked out as well.

With him being the one controlling all the mechanical fighters in his universe, I wonder if my wild theory about there being a Dr. Ichigaki-style mini-story there might have some merit after all.

edited 28th Oct '17 9:20:00 PM by KnownUnknown

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67179: Oct 28th 2017 at 11:31:10 PM

Pretty clever. That being said, it's strange for them to say that Goku's experience as a martial artist lets him fight against Super Saiyan 2 Cauliffa so effectively despite not only being in base, but exhausted as well. Mostly because the massive gap in power between base Saiyan (even one as strong as Goku) and even an inexperienced SS 2 should be so massive that Goku's wealth of skill and experience should be utterly useless. Then again, since gaining the god power, Goku's base power might be far greater than before, enough to close the gap and let his experience do him some good.

They've already done this with Roshi and the humans, acting like skill is enough to make up the difference. Goku's attacks shouldn't even harm Caulifa if she just sat there and let him wail on her. At the same time, Toei doesn't really portrayed the differences between transformations as large as they should be, as seen with the forms used in this episode. It's usually only the debut of a new form that you can count on the power-up being a big deal.

Anyway, this episode is part of what makes me doubt that "Saiyan Beyond God" is universally accepted among the writing staff - surely that would be less stamina draining than using 2 or especially 3 if he's trying to recover power. On top of that, the writers have no problem with making Goku perform on a level similar or better to his Super Saiyan forms, which is no surprised from Toei's previous works.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#67180: Oct 28th 2017 at 11:44:01 PM

There's also the fact that Goku was having trouble against Kale's berserk form before even in SSJB, but now can hold both her and Caulifa off in SSJ 2.

Consistency, thy name is Toei.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#67181: Oct 28th 2017 at 11:45:49 PM

It's almost as if Goku has a habit of sandbagging in tournaments.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67182: Oct 28th 2017 at 11:48:33 PM

It's almost as if sandbagging is just a crutch to explain any and all inconsistencies.

Anyway, I'm a little weirded out that they're making a big deal of Kale going berserk again. She gained control of this like 10 episodes ago.

edited 28th Oct '17 11:48:43 PM by Saiga

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#67183: Oct 28th 2017 at 11:49:05 PM

Honestly, they just use that excuse to justify whenever he doesn't perform as well as he should. "Oh he's just holding back" and then when he actually does do well, it's just inconsistent as hell.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67184: Oct 28th 2017 at 11:50:45 PM

No see, when he was winning, Kale held back, despite every indication that she wasn't.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#67185: Oct 28th 2017 at 11:52:28 PM

Oh please, Goku sandbagged like hell in every single tournament in Dragon Ball (how else could you get discrepancies like Goku vs Krillin then Goku vs Tien, or Goku vs Tien then Goku vs Piccolo Jr.), he, and everyone else, was sandbagging during the tournament in the Buu Saga, he was sandbagging against Uub during End of Z, he was sandbagging during the last fucking tournament in Super (see Goku vs Frost then Goku vs Hit where Base Goku was actually capable of hitting Hit); hell, he probably would have sandbagged during the Cell Games if Cell wasn't the only person fighting.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67186: Oct 28th 2017 at 11:54:48 PM

Those aren't discrepancies. In those situations, Goku outright said he was holding back and let us know exactly when he stopped.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#67187: Oct 28th 2017 at 11:58:11 PM

[up][up]Because didn't need to use his full power against those opponents :V Notice how in all of those matches you posted, Goku wins in all of them. Why would he use power when he get by just fine with a lower level?

It's kinda different from here when Goku is pretty obviously on the ropes, but continues to hold himself back to create artificial tension.

[up] Also this

[up][up][up] No no see, Caulifa is still holding back even as we speak.

edited 28th Oct '17 11:58:48 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67188: Oct 29th 2017 at 12:00:02 AM

[up] Yes, but Goku and Kale are also holding back.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#67189: Oct 29th 2017 at 12:01:51 AM

Yes, because Goku was clearly losing that badly against Kale, considering the fact he got right back up like nothing had happened beyond dropping to base, and went to fight the Pride Troopers immediately after Jiren had dealt with Kale. Hell, the after-effects of Ultra Instinct have so far been the only time where Goku has been exhausted like this during this entire tournament.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#67190: Oct 29th 2017 at 12:09:00 AM

I mean, Kale tanked a SSJB Kamehameha and manhandled him afterward. And now she can't touch Goku while he's exhausted and only using SSJ 2 while tag teaming with somebody else?

So let's break this down:

Exhausted Base Goku > SSJ 2 Caulifa = Exhausted SSJ 2 Goku > SSJ 2 Caulifa + SSJ Kale

BUT

SSJ Kale > SSJB Goku.

Lol wut :V

edited 29th Oct '17 12:09:34 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#67191: Oct 29th 2017 at 12:17:09 AM

[up]you see it's the beserkness that puts it up over blue,

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#67192: Oct 29th 2017 at 5:01:48 AM

OH YEAH, a reminder that the NEP for episode 114 finally confirmed that Kale's form is Legendary Super Saiyan.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#67193: Oct 29th 2017 at 5:30:20 AM

Pretty much everyone holds until they say otherwise in the next episode......did I win? tongue

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chaosconsortium Since: May, 2011
#67194: Oct 29th 2017 at 5:52:00 AM

Goku did nearly die after having the Spirit Bomb exploding in his face, and was completely on the ropes after fighting Jiren.

It could be possible Goku revived a Zenkai boost from all that once Frezza healed him, ratcheting up his power by a few points. But it's a bit of a stretch.

edited 29th Oct '17 7:58:04 AM by chaosconsortium

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#67195: Oct 29th 2017 at 6:26:13 AM

[up][up][up] I though it was a play on words, she's a legendary Super Saiyan.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#67196: Oct 29th 2017 at 6:59:21 AM

I don't care if she's a Legendary Super Sandwich, this is just completely ridiculous.

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#67197: Oct 29th 2017 at 7:28:20 AM

I mean, Kale tanked a SSJB Kamehameha and manhandled him afterward. And now she can't touch Goku while he's exhausted and only using SSJ 2 while tag teaming with somebody else?

So let's break this down:

Exhausted Base Goku > SSJ 2 Caulifa = Exhausted SSJ 2 Goku > SSJ 2 Caulifa + SSJ Kale

BUT

SSJ Kale > SSJB Goku.

Lol wut :V

It's kind of the consequence of Toei "living in the now" and trying to make big moments without considering how they should tie into later events.

"Gotta make Berserker Kale have an impressive debut, so lets have her squash SSB Goku."

"Oh, but now Goku needs to get back in his groove after losing to Jiren. Time for Kale and Caulifla to job simultaneously."

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#67198: Oct 29th 2017 at 7:36:29 AM

No, I understand it. It just makes for really dumb power discrepancies however.

And we have two more weeks of this too...

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Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#67199: Oct 29th 2017 at 7:38:41 AM

I'm pretty sure she is a Legendary Super Sand Lesbian.

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#67200: Oct 29th 2017 at 7:41:16 AM

[up][up] Maybe don't assume Berserker Kale is as strong as SSB Goku then? Is that too much of a stretch?

You really do have to ask after this episode if Goku was even trying against her in their previous fight.

And judging how she got one-shotted by Jiren, whereas Goku fought him in Blue for a while....

edited 29th Oct '17 7:41:49 AM by hardcorefakes


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