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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#67101: Oct 26th 2017 at 3:17:23 PM

[up] That's actually a good point. If Jiren's not extremely careful, he could accidentally kill someone, and subsequently get erased by Zeno.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#67102: Oct 26th 2017 at 3:18:37 PM

That makes sense, that makes sense.

Explains why he went after Kale cause her Broly state would have allowed her to survive his ki blast.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#67103: Oct 26th 2017 at 3:20:31 PM

So basically Ultra Instinct Goku is the Darkseid to Jiren's Superman?

If we get a "World of Cardboard" Speech out of Jiren it may salvage his character for me.

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#67104: Oct 26th 2017 at 3:23:47 PM

That would be weird, but funny, if only because Darkseid and Goku couldn't be more different.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#67105: Oct 26th 2017 at 3:24:59 PM

I think the only part of his body Goku hasn't shot Kamehamehas out of yet is his eyes, so that'd be something. tongue

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#67106: Oct 26th 2017 at 3:31:35 PM

We have seen characters use Laser eyes before.

Nappa did it in the anime (but I'm not sure if he could in the manga) and it was a move that Piccolo could do as well.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#67107: Oct 26th 2017 at 3:32:24 PM

But has anyone pulled off an Omega Beam?

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#67108: Oct 26th 2017 at 3:33:00 PM

[up]Freeza can do it, as could Gero/Android 20.

Can't remember if Cell ever did, but my gut says no.

edited 26th Oct '17 3:33:11 PM by DarkHunter

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#67109: Oct 26th 2017 at 3:35:49 PM

Huh, there really is Hit salt. I expected better of that fandom.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#67110: Oct 26th 2017 at 3:40:33 PM

I remember 19 doing it, but not Frieza. When did that happen?

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#67111: Oct 26th 2017 at 4:02:49 PM

[up][up] Fan Favorites losing will never not incite rage in the Shonen community.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#67112: Oct 26th 2017 at 6:02:31 PM

[up][up]He did it when Karrot hid in a cloud of smoke cloud.

Also does Karrot using his eyes to blast a burial hole in the ground not count?

edited 26th Oct '17 6:03:23 PM by randomness4

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#67113: Oct 26th 2017 at 6:04:19 PM

So I like the manga's take on the preliminary tournament and the whole situation better than the anime so far. And they're just being upfront about Jiren already being the mortal stronger than a God of Destruction. Well, I guess this is the first time it's mentioned in the manga.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#67114: Oct 26th 2017 at 6:20:07 PM

I find it interesting that Kais (and Angels?) are seemingly born divine, but at least some of the Destroyers are ascended mortals.

DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#67115: Oct 26th 2017 at 7:15:43 PM

I wonder... could powers of creation be inherent in divine beings? If so, could there be an "incompatibility" with the powers of destruction the Gods of Destruction wield?

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#67116: Oct 27th 2017 at 12:40:27 AM

I kind of see the god hierarchy like the top three Hindu gods. The Kaioshin are Brahma(the creator), the Hakaishin are Shiva(the destroyer) and the angels are Vishnu(the preserver). In another way, Shin's creation, Beerus' destruction and Whis' reality

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#67117: Oct 27th 2017 at 7:06:27 AM

edited 27th Oct '17 8:59:02 AM by Soble

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#67118: Oct 27th 2017 at 11:40:27 AM

[up]

That first one got me chuckling.

The second one...is both funny and terrifying.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#67119: Oct 27th 2017 at 1:05:13 PM

Do new saiya-jins have tails?

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MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#67120: Oct 27th 2017 at 2:45:17 PM

[up]

Only in DB Fusions, apparently.

Serious answer though, that seems to have stopped being a thing after Gohan. I guess Toriyama and his assistants really DID hate drawing tails.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#67122: Oct 27th 2017 at 5:35:25 PM

That explains so much. We even really did see Goten, Trunks, Pan and Bulla/Bra tails.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#67123: Oct 27th 2017 at 5:44:43 PM

There are interviews of Toriyama saying he hated drawing Goku's tail, so he just got rid of it.

After Vegeta lost his, that was the end of it.

Masako X did a video on it, and there's another one that mentions it as well I believe.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#67124: Oct 27th 2017 at 9:18:28 PM

Kaioken + Super Saiyan doesn't work because "it puts too much strain on the body, and Super Saiyan makes the latter pointless."

Super even reinforces this, stating that Super Saiyan Blue works because it requires perfect, innate ki control.

However:

  • 50 x base = good. 50 x base x 2 = better.

However, isn't that exactly what Goku and Gohan spent their time in the HTC learning how to do? Learning to eat, sleep, and breath Super Saiyan until their ki control in that form was perfectly natural.

Therefore, all this time, they never needed Super Saiyan Blue to combine Super Saiyan with Kaioken. Goku should have had perfect, innate control in Full Power/Master Super Saiyan and this would've worked just fine.

  • 50 x Goku at the start of the Cell Games = Goku able to fight on par with Cell but not quite winning.
  • 50 x Goku at the start of the Cell Games x 2 = Goku wrecking Cell's week right at the beginning.

:/

Different note - if Goku had tried the Kaioken (because anime!Goku does stuff like this) to try and "test the waters against Cell," could or would Cell have been able to use the Kaioken too, out of spite? Theoretically:

  • he'd know it since Gero programmed the Kamehameha and Galick Gun into him.
  • his body would be more durable than Goku's, and therefore be able to withstand it better.
  • he copied the multi-form in the anime, so why not?

edited 28th Oct '17 7:41:55 AM by Soble

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67125: Oct 27th 2017 at 9:43:25 PM

The idea is that Goku CAN'T use Kaio-ken with Super Saiyan, due to strain or redundancy or whatever.

Cell also outright says he can use the Kaio-ken, but seems to have his own Super Saiyan 'form'.

edited 27th Oct '17 9:43:50 PM by Saiga


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