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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67026: Oct 25th 2017 at 4:21:53 PM

[up][up] That was in response to Yakuzu

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#67027: Oct 25th 2017 at 4:36:10 PM

I was musing at how much his inclusion bothers you more than anything.

edited 25th Oct '17 4:36:42 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#67028: Oct 25th 2017 at 4:36:46 PM

I'm baffled by the sudden desire to bring back Frieza and try and keep him competitive.

Every other time Toriyama has brought back a previous villain, they've been less of a threat, despite getting stronger (Frieza himself being on that list).

I mean, in most cases when he brings back old threats, he has the heroes easily stomp them to show just how far they've fallen behind (with poor cyborg Tao Pai Pai being the first on that list, despite becoming a cyborg being a pretty cool thing).

But now, he decides that Frieza suddenly deserves to be on the same tier as everyone else, and just suddenly has him train to be on the same level as Goku and Vegeta. It's odd, because that's never been his style.

I guess he just likes Frieza a lot and thinks he can get some good development out of him.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#67029: Oct 25th 2017 at 4:38:48 PM

To be fair, Toriyama only thought of doing that because he listened to "F" by Maximum the Hormone.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#67030: Oct 25th 2017 at 4:40:24 PM

I mean their obviously planning something. Cause why do this?

It can't be just for shits & giggles & they could have easily just used Buu with no difficulty.

Their gonna do something big with Frieza, they have to.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#67031: Oct 25th 2017 at 4:44:09 PM

[up] I agree.

Maybe he brought him back just because of that song like [up][up] said, but doing it again must be part of some big plan. I'm curious to see where they'll go with it.

Still should have used Buu.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67032: Oct 25th 2017 at 4:45:36 PM

No they dont. This can easily be "Freeza is popular, Freeza is more nostalgic, we like freeza more"

They COULD use Boo, but there doesn't seem to be any willingness to actually do so

Edit: you really think back in 2015 Toriyama was planning even further ahead than this?

edited 25th Oct '17 4:46:49 PM by Saiga

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#67033: Oct 25th 2017 at 4:51:20 PM

While I am a bit mad at Buu constantly getting shafted, I must admit I am having fun with Freeza being back in the cast.

Let's keep in mind that Resurrection F was really just meant to be a gigantic nostalgia-fest for the fans... I don't think they had decided to do a full-blown series when they were making that movie.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#67034: Oct 25th 2017 at 4:53:12 PM

[up] Super started airing about three months after RoF came out.

edited 25th Oct '17 4:54:01 PM by Zelenal

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#67035: Oct 25th 2017 at 5:01:16 PM

Yea, I'm sure there's no grand plan behind Freeza's return. Toei and Toriyama like him and he's the series most iconic villain so...why not.

That said, they should retire him after this arc. I like Freeza, but I've had my fill of him. Too much of a good thing is never fine.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#67036: Oct 25th 2017 at 5:02:36 PM

If were banking on nostalgia then I want fucking Cell to come back.

I don't care if Japan doesn't like him that much, he's an icon.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#67038: Oct 25th 2017 at 5:12:34 PM

[up] As much as the rest of the characters are icons.

Then again literally everything about this franchise is iconic.

edited 25th Oct '17 5:15:05 PM by slimcoder

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#67039: Oct 25th 2017 at 5:14:21 PM

People talk about how Bulma's mom hasn't aged at all, but remember that her father has stayed the same age this entire time as well.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#67040: Oct 25th 2017 at 5:14:46 PM

Frieza has two rock theme songs, thus he is more important. Obviously.

This song needs more love.
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#67041: Oct 25th 2017 at 5:15:23 PM

If nothing else, he was the catalyst for a lot good moments in the Android arc.

Cell himself though is hardly memorable though. Well, he was kind of interesting before he became Perfect but then he's just kind of bleh.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#67042: Oct 25th 2017 at 5:59:34 PM

Just from the way he’s been written, I’ve been getting the impression that they’re trying to establish Freeza and his relationship with Goku as a more traditional archenemy dynamic, which... odd, as it’s something the series hasn’t ever really had before. I don’t know how much of that is Toei’s writing of the situation, though.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67043: Oct 25th 2017 at 6:08:00 PM

Yeah it definitely feels like they want him to be Goku's Joker

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#67044: Oct 25th 2017 at 6:11:53 PM

Except Goku is too dumb to know he should treat Frieza with disgust & loathing.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#67045: Oct 25th 2017 at 6:13:39 PM

[up]

Which is absolutely infuriating. He really should not be treating Frieza with anything but contempt. Toei got it right with Goku not liking Frieza at all, even if he still didn't just fight with Vegeta to end the threat.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#67046: Oct 25th 2017 at 6:23:38 PM

No, Goku very clearly treats Freeza way different than he does with anyone else. He knows he's dangerous, but he's willing to trust him for the sake of the universe.

And yea, I agree. They're very clearly playing up Freeza's as Goku's ultimate Arch-Enemy since ROF. I mean, it was there a bit before, but yea...it's way more pronounced.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#67047: Oct 25th 2017 at 6:48:05 PM

Goku is not one to hold grudges against anyone but I could be wrong about that.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#67048: Oct 25th 2017 at 6:51:34 PM

[up][up] Yeah but its not thinly-veiled disgust where you know he'd rather be anywhere than talking to him. There's still a measure of respect.

[up] That's what makes there relationship special. Goku is an all-loving hero but Frieza is the only person he can truly despise & hate with all his being.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67049: Oct 25th 2017 at 6:57:30 PM

Nnnnnnnot really. He knew Freeza for one day, tried to spare him twice, got mad and all and when he returned he was pretty nonchalant and said 'yeah I was just gonna kill him this time around'.

He barely had any relationship with the guy before the new content. Whereas he admitted to truly hating Vegeta up until his death, so its not like its unusual for Goku to hate someone.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#67050: Oct 25th 2017 at 7:14:33 PM

There's also King Piccolo.

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