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Not necessarily. That's just a good way to avoid Story-Breaker Power and Super Power Lottery creeping in, because brute force is the universal superpower.
True but sad. All you need is be stronger than the person you are fighting and you can brute force them.
edited 25th Oct '17 6:01:40 AM by GAP
"Mai waifu."That's not what I meant. I mean that brute force (or raw "ki level" in DB) works as a good counter to esoteric powers because it prevents you ended up with the kind of power that's just logically invincible without some weird, equally esoteric counter. That's an issue I see with many series that will use esoteric powers.
Power levels/ki/brute force can be used to keep esoteric powers in check, so they don't get out of hand.
I also hate that Piccolo was brought in like that just to fail (and to make the situation more dire) on Namek, and that his fusion with Kami only amounted to telling Cell where the Androids were. Why bother with bringing him up just to waste it?
As for brute force vs more creative methods of fighting...I would say there's room for both, but at the level dragon ball is all, there's no need to really bother with being creative.
To paraphrase a certain Lich:
All you need is power, in as great a concentration as you can muster.
Well ok, technique is still important (Full power Super Saiyan anyone) but you need power as well, and while fancy tricks can work around that sometimes, they can't always save you if the other guy has enough raw brute strength.
I don't like it cause I like the humans myself, and would prefer that they not be used as punching bags to establish threat, but we're long past that point, so it's better to just let them properly bow out like it seemed like they were doing at the end of Cell.
Could they have not made the gaps so huge? Yeah. Could they have allowed the other's to use Kaioken since Goku stopped needing it (while not making the gaps so huge)? Yeah.
They didn't and while I'm not happy about it, that's just how it is, and trying to suddenly claim these guys can be relevant like they were (and they weren't that relevant in combat before) is kinda dumb.
One Strip! One Strip!I mean, Goku was always kinda ahead of them, with only Roshi, and then Tien standing any chance, and that quickly changed despite the best efforts of the latter.
Like I said, when they were totally helpless against a near half dead Piccolo, that's when it became clear that their role was to sit back and wait for Goku.
If Toriyama hadn't wanted it that way, he could have changed things: let them catch up to him or not make him so far ahead, but he didn't.
I hate it, cause I like those guys techniques, think they make for some interesting fights and strategies, and that some of their potential uses haven't been fully explored, but that's how it is.
One Strip! One Strip!I love that this most recent arc has brought all of the side characters up to current levels of relative relevance. Krillin, Tenshinhan, and Roshi can all hang with the base Saiyans in terms of power, which allows them to fight and defeat opponents that the base Saiyans could have trouble with. Same with 18 remaining stronger than the base Saiyans, Piccolo rising slightly above Super Saiyan 2, 17 and Gohan being somewhere in the lower godly tiers, and Freeza coming back at Saiyan Beyond God and Blue level.
It's what I've said for a while, the humans don't need to be as strong as a Super Saiyan or Super Saiyan Blue to play a relevant part in the story, just be as strong as a Saiyan.
edited 25th Oct '17 7:26:16 AM by PushoverMediaCritic
Well, that doesn't make sense, because they all became much stronger than you're average Saiyan a long time ago. And "Super Saiyan" and likely Blue aren't set power levels.
The current base Saiyans, base Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Cabba, Caulifla, and Kale, are who I was talking about, specifically, since they all seem to be around the same range of power.
In terms of Mastered Blue vs Kaioken, I'd say Kaiokenx10. It seems a fair comparison to make, since fresh Blue was 10 times stronger than tired Blue Vegeta in the U6 arc.
edited 25th Oct '17 7:29:34 AM by PushoverMediaCritic
It's not like the manga makes any sense with Power Levels either way. It has base Black be stronger than Mastered SS2 Trunks, who is comparable to SS3 Goku, then it has SS2 Vegeta be stronger than SS2 Black, which would mean that manga Vegeta is over 400 times stronger than manga Goku.
At least with the anime I have Saiyan Beyond God to explain away plotholes, but the above is just inexcusably bad writing.
I didn't bring up the manga (Super or original) so I don't know what point you think that's making.
Going one thing doesn't make sense doesn't somehow mean that something else does. Especially when your idea of Saiyan Beyond God isn't anywhere near fully accepted as you make it out to be.
edited 25th Oct '17 7:44:39 AM by LSBK

You mean unless they can be brute forced, right? Like Hit's Time Skip?