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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#66901: Oct 24th 2017 at 7:13:57 PM

But yeah, I wouldn't mind more side stories like we got during the recruitment for this arc, and stuff like the Great Saiyaman movie. Play to each characters' strengths.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#66902: Oct 24th 2017 at 7:14:52 PM

You can't really introduce problems that the weaker characters are better at solving when they have almost identical toolsets to solve problems with.

The difference in special moves has rarely mattered, and if it did matter they can easily just be copied by the stronger characters.

The Kuririn vs Tenshinhan example comes down to two things: 1) contriving a use for the four witches, 2) their opponents having actual diversity

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#66903: Oct 24th 2017 at 7:34:22 PM

Zamasu's immortality at least posed an obstacle that couldn't just be punched through, regardless of power level.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#66904: Oct 24th 2017 at 7:45:17 PM

Yeah, but that didn't make anyone else a better fit for the job. It just meant that Goku et al needed to approach that differently (well, up until they failed and just decided to ignore it until Zen-Oh happened).

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#66905: Oct 24th 2017 at 8:06:52 PM

Except Goku (and technically Buu) has been the only major fighter who has ever copied a technique without someone teaching it to him; hell, he's the only one with no original techniques of any kind, unless you count the noncanon Dragon Fist.

edited 24th Oct '17 8:07:28 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#66906: Oct 24th 2017 at 8:10:12 PM

[up]But Tien once copied the Maf-

Oh. "Major" fighter. Never mind.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#66907: Oct 24th 2017 at 8:18:27 PM

Goku is the Mega Man of the Dragon Ball universe.

No wonder Cell was so interested in fighting him. They both have the same shtick. [lol]

edited 24th Oct '17 8:18:52 PM by Hobgoblin

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#66908: Oct 24th 2017 at 8:24:31 PM

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Yeah. Goku having absolutely zero original techniques is a funny thing (that I totally missed up until it was brought up by the Abridged series).

Kinda makes how far ahead he is of everyone else rather unfair.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#66909: Oct 24th 2017 at 8:31:19 PM

I still say that some of the variations of Kamehameha he developed should count. Like that weird twin ball thing he did against Frieza.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#66910: Oct 24th 2017 at 9:29:18 PM

@Gojira: Vegeta and Freeza both copied the Kienzan after just seeing it and Vegeta learned ki sensing after simply realizing it's a thing you can do.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#66911: Oct 24th 2017 at 9:31:53 PM

Are we sure Frieza didn't already know a similar technique to it though?

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#66912: Oct 24th 2017 at 9:42:02 PM

[up] There's absolutely no reason to assume that but I certainly can't stop you.

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#66913: Oct 24th 2017 at 9:47:45 PM

Given the differences in appearance and sound between Freeza's discs and the Kienzan, not to mention that Freeza could freely control his discs where Krillin cannot, I always thought they were separate techniques.

It can't be that amazing a technique to form some ki into a disc shape and throw it.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#66914: Oct 24th 2017 at 9:51:09 PM

It could be a different technique, or it could just be Frieza having better ki control than Krillin/Frieza is telekinetic and control things however he likes.

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#66915: Oct 24th 2017 at 9:53:37 PM

I think Krillin being the only person in the universe to hone his ki into discs to throw is far less plausible than Freeza having his own version.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#66916: Oct 24th 2017 at 10:03:25 PM

Too bad he can't hit anything with it.

It's especially funny since Vegeta immediately hits his target when he rips it off (and it's the same target kill had on his own last attempt: a Saiyan tail).

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#66917: Oct 25th 2017 at 12:36:39 AM

[up][up] Really? I think it's too coincidental for Freeza to happen to have the same technique. If it had some difference in shape or whatever, it'd be sensible, but the idea of them having different sound/colour is purely from the anime.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#66918: Oct 25th 2017 at 12:38:06 AM

About Piccolo catching up: have him train with Whis and use God ki. There, done.

Or have him train. He is the guy who almost caught up with Super Saiyan Goku by training, despite starting out as 1/120 of his power.

And, come on, Saiga and Rob, you guys make it look as if the franchise is a mere dick-measuring contest. I don't think you like Dragon Ball, TBH.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#66919: Oct 25th 2017 at 1:37:57 AM

I do like DB.

That doesn't mean I have to like the humans/Piccolo or fan ideas to "improve" their usage

edited 25th Oct '17 1:38:05 AM by Saiga

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#66921: Oct 25th 2017 at 1:50:38 AM

Most the rest of it? Its not like either of those are super big parts of the series.

Actually, its not that i dont like the humans/Piccolo specifically. But I am just mostly fine with how they were originally used and dont like the ideas I have seen to change that.

Like I dislike how Piccolos Namek role didnt have much purpose or his fusion with God didnt get used for much, but giving him a new power up wont change either of those.

For my points about characters fighting the same and having the same tools, thats not a criticism (from me). Aside from wanting the mechanics of ki explored a little further, I like how uniform it is. I don't think DB needs to be like naruto or bleach where its all about the use of esoteric powers and each fight/character revolves around those

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#66922: Oct 25th 2017 at 3:09:29 AM

Esoteric powers can make for interesting match-ups though, instead of the characters just throwing around the same looking energy blasts all of the time. Or seeing who can punch the other harder.

Not that I hate DB's fights or anything, but I can see why some people might think they're repetitive.

TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
Don't know how to pilot this thing
#66923: Oct 25th 2017 at 3:17:26 AM

Since it wasn't directly adressed I feel I should ask it again, why not have Goku and Vegeta off doing their own thing while several arcs focus on villians that Goku and Vegeta COULD beat, but aren't around to do so? Like a mix of revival of F and the Goku Black arc. Goku and Vegeta are bust fighting a powerful villian that's threatening the multiverse, and the rest of the cast are dealing with some lacky of that villian that's a big bad in his own right. Dragon Balls no stranger to repeated formulas so this formula could easily last a few arcs. And theres still ways heros can get stronger, they just need the necesity to do so. Not having Goku and Vegeta aroun would definatley make them more inclined to get stronger. As long as Vegeta and Gokus exploits don't give them too much of a power boost, the cast can become more balanced. Also I feel I should point out that we have no idea what level majin buu is on, asside from him being weaker than Kid Buu. His regeneration and magical nature makes it extremely dificult to judge if he's gohan level or just barelt above krillin.

edited 25th Oct '17 3:31:46 AM by TwistedGear

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#66924: Oct 25th 2017 at 3:48:49 AM

If all you want to see is the side characters, you don't need much set-up or justification for it. They don't need to fight either.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#66925: Oct 25th 2017 at 4:01:18 AM

[up][up][up] I just don't think they're the be-all and end-all, and not necessarily the best approach for DB.


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