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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#66876: Oct 24th 2017 at 6:33:28 PM

There are always ways to do stuff like that, it just takes development which the series isn’t willing to take, while simultaneously wanting to use those characters anyway.

But I’m any case, if the suggestion is A & B plots with Goku & Vegeta on one end and everyone else on the other, the gap between everyone isn’t specifically a problem. The assumption is that the character leading the B plot would be Gohan, so the threat level would still be scaled to him anyway.

edited 24th Oct '17 6:33:46 PM by KnownUnknown

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#66877: Oct 24th 2017 at 6:35:36 PM

[up]Good point.

You just need to get rid of the damn flatscans

Well they refuse to do that either, so I guess neither of us will get what we want.

I mean, at this point they aren't good for much but Slice of Life stuff, because they sure as hell can't do much in a fight, no matter how much the series wants to tell us other wise.

Though sometimes, I don't mind them trying. Krillin kicked ass in the tournament before he got cheapshotted, and even if he was doing far better than he had any right to, it was nice to see Roshi as something besides an stupid old percent (that one scene where he scares that one female fighter with Stranger Danger aside).

edited 24th Oct '17 6:39:30 PM by HandsomeRob

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#66878: Oct 24th 2017 at 6:41:05 PM

[up][up] Yeah but if Gohan is leading, Gotenks and Boo are the only ones who can believably keep up with him.

Which is fine if that's what you want, but it doesn't achieve true 'ensemble cast' levels

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#66879: Oct 24th 2017 at 6:41:27 PM

That's what I meant. Scale the enemies to the weaker characters rather than "Haha, this NEXT villain is even stronger than Buu and the villain after him is even stronger!"

Isn't that what GT's early arc did before Rilldo got introduced?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#66880: Oct 24th 2017 at 6:44:23 PM

You have to play things differently though, because the stakes wont be the same without the threat level

Which I am MORE than happy with

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#66881: Oct 24th 2017 at 6:44:57 PM

Just be creative.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#66882: Oct 24th 2017 at 6:45:06 PM

[up][up][up]

The problem with that is that then the other guys don't do anything anyway, because the more powerful characters can win in seconds.

Unless you give those weaker guys some broken power to compensate, and that just raises the question of why the weaker guys don't get taken out by it.

Or the stronger guys just counter it with ease anyway.

Edit: [nja]'ed

edited 24th Oct '17 6:45:41 PM by HandsomeRob

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#66883: Oct 24th 2017 at 6:45:56 PM

All I want is for Piccolo to catch up with the Saiyans. Nobody else, just him.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#66884: Oct 24th 2017 at 6:47:00 PM

Again, dont just try to use the same formula but with scaled down threats, it'll never work

Tenshinhan can have an episode where his dojo's reputation is threatened without the world being at stake

[up] the worst moments of Piccolo's character always came with trying to make him catch up. Babysitter/straight man Piccolo is best.

edited 24th Oct '17 6:48:33 PM by Saiga

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#66885: Oct 24th 2017 at 6:47:19 PM

500% disagree on it being a bad idea to have that gap You just need to get rid of the damn flatscans

I don't know, I kind of like seeing a varied cast of heroes with diverse designs and fighting styles.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#66886: Oct 24th 2017 at 6:47:36 PM

How would he do that?

His only option is fusion, and unless he's willing to do a little raiding from U6, there are no namekians left for him to fuse with (that are powerful enough, or the same type as him).

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#66887: Oct 24th 2017 at 6:47:49 PM

I wonder what determines someone being the winner in the tournament

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#66888: Oct 24th 2017 at 6:49:15 PM

It is weird how they keep talking like that. No one (except maybe Frieza, I guess) should actually be aiming to be the last one on their time on the stage.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#66889: Oct 24th 2017 at 6:49:52 PM

[up][up][up][up] they're either bald or have crazy black hair, and they all fight the same

[up] its not that, the 'best fighter' is judged at the end

edited 24th Oct '17 6:51:04 PM by Saiga

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#66890: Oct 24th 2017 at 6:51:33 PM

Actually, here's an idea; why not present the cast with problems that can't be solved by sending in Goku and having him punch the bad guy really hard?

When you introduce plots that stray away from the "THIS REALLY STRONG GUY IS HERE AND HE'S GONNA KILL US ALL" formula, the power gap becomes less of an issue.

[up] They all fight the same? News to me. Compare the way Krillin defeated Majora to the way Tien defeated Harmila.

edited 24th Oct '17 6:52:25 PM by TyeDyeWildebeest

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#66891: Oct 24th 2017 at 6:52:37 PM

Like I said be creative.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#66892: Oct 24th 2017 at 6:54:04 PM

Cuz it's Dragon Ball bruh, who can punch the hardest always wins.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#66893: Oct 24th 2017 at 6:55:29 PM

[up]X4

Well, yeah. The only thing that differentiates them are their different special attacks...which most of them can just steal from others by simply seeing it.

There was potential though: many of them developed special techniques of their own.

Hell, Tien still has the widest variety of unique attacks, but the massive power gap rendered most of them useless (along with some of them having flaws that simply can't be overcome at all).

The attacks having drawbacks is pretty cool, but at the same time, it shrinks the variety of techniques as they are continually abandoned due to being useless.

There's still some potential in some places: like, I've always wondered if you can apply the concept behind Tien's Kikoho to other ki attacks.

Edit: Murasaki'ed.

edited 24th Oct '17 6:56:08 PM by HandsomeRob

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Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#66894: Oct 24th 2017 at 6:56:03 PM

I want to see a villain from a timeline in the past, travel to current day, and get completely jobbed. Nappa anyone?

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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#66895: Oct 24th 2017 at 6:58:19 PM

[up] We already kind of saw that in GT during the Super 17 arc. Most of the villains who broke out of hell got shitstomped by the heroes, Nappa among them. (Also, General Blue, Major Metallitron, Android 19, Pui Pui and some saibamen, from what I recall.)

[up][up] Again, recall the way Krillin defeated Majora. I can't imagine that either Tien or Roshi would think to do that.

edited 24th Oct '17 6:59:09 PM by TyeDyeWildebeest

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#66896: Oct 24th 2017 at 6:58:54 PM

I figure Frieza's plan is to wait till right before Universe 7 has won and then shove his teammates off the edge so he'll be the best fighter by default.

edited 24th Oct '17 6:59:30 PM by Moth13

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#66897: Oct 24th 2017 at 7:05:12 PM

Have everyone sans Goku/Vegeta fight poachers for a bit. That'll close the gap.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#66898: Oct 24th 2017 at 7:09:51 PM

Have them fight poachers for four months.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#66900: Oct 24th 2017 at 7:12:55 PM

While its raining & haling.

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