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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#66801: Oct 23rd 2017 at 10:16:23 PM

[up][up][up] I don't know I think its one of the few expectations that doesn't get broken.

I mean all the antagonists are generally stronger than the last.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#66802: Oct 23rd 2017 at 10:18:35 PM

I don't know why, but that El Grande Padre meme always brings a smile to my face.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#66803: Oct 23rd 2017 at 10:20:51 PM

[up][up][up][up] Well the Grand Priest might stop the wish to restore the universes afterwards. Zeno's not the only problem here.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#66804: Oct 23rd 2017 at 10:39:42 PM

They have to or the whole thing is stupidly pointless

Again, really wish this was established ahead of time

TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
Don't know how to pilot this thing
#66805: Oct 23rd 2017 at 10:54:28 PM

With the second half of the tournament begining to reveal everyones wishes, I feel like the scene where gohan was looking at his opponents family locket as it got erased is foreshadowing him being the one who will want to wish all the universes back... or wish their planets and people all to universe 7. He's the only one who seems like he'd care about restoring all of them.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#66807: Oct 23rd 2017 at 10:59:43 PM

[up][up]That just seemed more like him accepting that this is the way things have to be.

I'm not really going to be invested in the "bring all the universes back" discussion until I'm given a half-way decent reason to explain why Zeno won't just erase them all again, and the universe of the one who tried to pull the stunt for good measure. That one question is so pivotal to all of this and yet even when (finally) they bring up using the Super Dragon Balls to bring everyone back to don't even mention that.

[up]Because clearly subverting his will would go over so easily...

Honestly I have no doubt the erased universes are going to be restored. I have serious doubts about it actually happening in a satisfying way however, which is the real issue.

edited 23rd Oct '17 11:04:44 PM by LSBK

TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
Don't know how to pilot this thing
#66808: Oct 23rd 2017 at 11:08:30 PM

Wishing the people of planets and people of the losing universes wouldn't be going against xenos will, the whole problem was the low mortal level, and the tournament was to allow one universe with a low mortal level to be spared. Moving everyone to the winning universe would not only not go angainst that, it'd likely increase the winning universes mortal level, making it the ideal wish to make the hacky-sack heads happy.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#66809: Oct 23rd 2017 at 11:13:08 PM

I still think it's possible that this arc will end in a Saiyan arc-esque cliff-hanger, with the main drive of the next arc being to reverse the consequences of this one. In this case, all the universes in this tournament but one being erased.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#66810: Oct 23rd 2017 at 11:21:45 PM

I like the idea of all of the losing universes get merged into universe 7. I specifically like imagining the stand-off all the GoDs would have to figure out their new hierarchy. I also imagine Shin would try to shuff off the title of Supreme Kai immediately.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#66811: Oct 23rd 2017 at 11:30:34 PM

I don't put much stock in combining the rest of the universes into U7 because it's rooted in the idea that Shin said that the number of planets in U7 is abnormally small, when IIRC he actually said nothing of the sort. All Shin said is that there are 28 planets with life in U7, and I'm pretty sure nobody said anything about that being a unusual number by any means.

WE know that's a small number because we know physics, but Sci-Fi Writers Have No Sense of Scale. 28 planets with life is probably an entirely sensible amount of life-supporting planets in Dragon Ball, and the number of planets with life in the other universes is probably comparable.

edited 23rd Oct '17 11:33:26 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#66812: Oct 23rd 2017 at 11:40:25 PM

Even if Vegeta only wishes for the u6 sayians to be revived, it is still literally the only one wishing for anybody to be brought back. 17 wants a boat, goku wants a strong enemy etc.

also if kale and califla do fuse I wonder why they will have to, and if their ss form will be beserk or normal or a fusion of the two that continuously exerts more and more power

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#66813: Oct 23rd 2017 at 11:48:29 PM

Zen'o is a dumb kid. They will prolly just tell him hey if we bring everyone back we can get stronger and have another cool tournament. That or it will make them decide whatever they define as mortal level isn't a full measure of a universe's worth.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#66814: Oct 24th 2017 at 12:33:36 AM

28 planets still makes no goddamn sense.

My various fanfics.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#66815: Oct 24th 2017 at 12:38:03 AM

The suspension of disbelief destroying small universe size really gives evidence that the universes are gonna merge with U7 to fill it in & create one super universe to justify new adventures happening.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#66816: Oct 24th 2017 at 12:40:17 AM

No goddamn sense, to us. Just because we think 28 planets with life is unusually low, doesn't mean Toriyama, Toei, or Toyotarou think 28 planets with life in Universe 7 is unusually low.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#66817: Oct 24th 2017 at 1:01:31 AM

28 planets could be one of the possibilities for why a merger might happen-a lot of that empty space wasn't being used. A battle royale for the new god of destruction of Universe 7 5 would be pretty interesting to see

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#66818: Oct 24th 2017 at 1:19:18 AM

oving everyone to the winning universe would not only not go angainst that, it'd likely increase the winning universes mortal level

Well....if the level of every universe participating in the To P is lower than what Zeno (supposedly...) wants, combining them all will still net an average lower than what's acceptable.

So all you'd be doing is reviving the reasons that this tournament was held in the first place. Except now you've just moved all of those mortals into one place.

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#66819: Oct 24th 2017 at 1:38:57 AM

Just revive the good people or whatever it is that determines mortal level. They did it before with Buu.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#66820: Oct 24th 2017 at 2:38:31 AM

For all we know, Mortal Level is determined by how advanced their society is and how far along interplanetary relations are. Goodbye Namekians and Earthlings.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#66821: Oct 24th 2017 at 3:18:42 AM

You know, I never considered the low number of occupied planets as the reason for merging the universes. I just figured it would be something like "Goku realized that if all the strong guys were part of Universe 7, they wouldn't be erased and he could fight them whenever he wanted to".

Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#66823: Oct 24th 2017 at 6:49:39 AM

Wishing the people of planets and people of the losing universes wouldn't be going against xenos will, the whole problem was the low mortal level, and the tournament was to allow one universe with a low mortal level to be spared. Moving everyone to the winning universe would not only not go angainst that, it'd likely increase the winning universes mortal level, making it the ideal wish to make the hacky-sack heads happy.

How do you figure? All of these universes have been determined to have an average level of below 7 (if it's the same with the manga, some of them have actually been dropping), how do you average seven values below seven to get something above seven? Especially when you take in we don't even know how they determined these values?

And you're also just assuming this is only about the physical universe and no the actual people in them.

And you're also just assuming they can explain this to Zeno without him immediately wiping them out, as they've made very clear he'll do without the slightest bit of hesitation.

edited 24th Oct '17 6:51:37 AM by LSBK

TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
Don't know how to pilot this thing
#66824: Oct 24th 2017 at 7:29:47 AM

[up] Reguardless of whether the mortal level goes up or not (that's admitedly just a guess on my part) why would xeno erase the winning universe? The entire tournament is to decide which universe of the lowest ranked survives. Xeno may be a fickle child but he's not going to to erase a universe that won a tournament specifically meant to grant it freedom from being wiped out. Lets forget my assumsion and say the wish plunges universe 7s mortal level down instead of raising it. So what? Before the tornament they were already in the red, they're being spared because they won the tournament, not because of their mortal level.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#66825: Oct 24th 2017 at 7:35:21 AM

Because again, trying to weasel out of the consequences of all of this. They've already been over that with saying Zeno will erase all the universes if Goku threw his match with Beregamo.

You shouldn't count on Zeno on not being fickle saving them.

And on a meta level because it would make all of this pointless.

edited 24th Oct '17 7:35:45 AM by LSBK


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