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BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
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#66651: Oct 22nd 2017 at 11:46:32 AM

[up]x4Jiren beat Hit in a minute. Hit is totally fodder now. tongue

edited 22nd Oct '17 11:53:03 AM by BigBlackBangBro

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#66652: Oct 22nd 2017 at 11:53:36 AM

Give it an arc or two & Jiren's totally gonna be fodder too.

Beaten by another stoic arm-crossing alien.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#66653: Oct 22nd 2017 at 11:56:50 AM

What if it's an alien with four arms, so he can do double the arms-crossing? He'd be invincible! surprised

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#66654: Oct 22nd 2017 at 11:59:35 AM

Sometimes it's hilarious how cynical the Shonen fanbase can be when it comes to Power Levels.

This is true.

People treat Hit like he's fodder simply because he lost to Jiren lol.

This is stupid. Who are these people? If anything, Hit works as a demonstration of how powerful Jiren is. He fought Goku near equally, with the latter only gaining an edge when he busted out Kaioken Blue (or Super Saiyan God in the manga), and then, after stomping Goku, Jiren proceeded to utterly No-Sell the technique that Goku had struggled against.

In order to show the other dude is strong, you need to have them beat a strong guy. This doesn't mean Hit is nothing now, it just means Jiren is better.

It does mean that maybe somebody (Toriyama, Toyotarou or Toei) needs to comes up with other ways to show power beyond higher and higher Power Levels...but it's been far too late for that for years.

When a half beaten to shit Piccolo was still leagues above a completely fresh Tien, Yamcha and Krillin during the 23rd (that was the 23rd wasn't it?) Budokai, it's clear that Power Creep was already pretty out of control.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#66655: Oct 22nd 2017 at 12:08:27 PM

[up][up] And that is why Jiren needs a personality.

Cause his only claim to fame is being ridiculously strong when that is an absolute given in any shonen. It doesn't make him special or anything especially on the high chance that the 4 higher universes prolly has someone or several people on par or far superior to Jiren.

[up] Well people are fucking r-word.

edited 22nd Oct '17 12:08:54 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#66656: Oct 22nd 2017 at 12:50:04 PM

[up] Regretable? Reticent? Reprehensible? Repugnant? Recalictrant?

edited 22nd Oct '17 12:58:41 PM by Zelenal

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#66657: Oct 22nd 2017 at 12:53:00 PM

As far as bringing back the other six universes Zeno destroyed millions of years ago or whatever, I don't see anyone in the cast having the presence of mind/interest to do that, but if the wish is basically phrased as "restore all the universes erased by Zeno" does six should come back by default even if not intended.

It would be kind of funny to see people fretting about how the universes would be numbered now.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#66658: Oct 22nd 2017 at 12:56:01 PM

[up][up]Rutabagas.

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#66659: Oct 22nd 2017 at 1:09:27 PM

[up][up][up]I think he meant retarded.

edited 22nd Oct '17 1:09:55 PM by Shlugo_the_great

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#66660: Oct 22nd 2017 at 1:11:21 PM

Or re-tarted...

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#66661: Oct 22nd 2017 at 1:13:47 PM

[up][up] Wait can I say that?

I keep using r-word cause I'm afraid my post will get thumped or something.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#66662: Oct 22nd 2017 at 1:16:13 PM

Sure, retarded is an euphemism after all.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#66663: Oct 22nd 2017 at 1:18:04 PM

[up] Oh thank God I always felt like an idiot using that abbreviation.

Alright then as I said, people are fucking retarded.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#66664: Oct 22nd 2017 at 1:23:49 PM

I mean, you shouldn't say it because it's a shitty and offensive word to use.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#66665: Oct 22nd 2017 at 1:30:14 PM

Random fodder of the week: that's definitely accurate for Monna. I mean it's just Monster of the Week applied to what she is: fodder for Cabba's transformation and focus.

Most of these characters are. I think Anom said he was fine with the idea of not everyone getting focus, and I agree, you shouldn't try with this many participants. Given that this is a shonen though many fans will expect that any character who doesn't get focus or is defeated easily is a waste.

I also think their choices on who to focus on and the universe balance has been really weird. And they could do better at establishong characters like Monna who are going to be used in an established character's episode.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#66666: Oct 22nd 2017 at 1:35:18 PM

The focus being off balance is, I think, a consequence of the 80-man battle royal being a format Toriyama and/or Toei isn't used to. So the presentation and plotting suffer.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#66667: Oct 22nd 2017 at 1:36:14 PM

[up][up][up]Nah, that's just the euphemism treadmill at work.

edited 22nd Oct '17 1:36:56 PM by Shlugo_the_great

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#66668: Oct 22nd 2017 at 1:59:31 PM

[up][up][up] It's just jarring when pushover tries to make these characters a bigger deal than they are...then again, I guess they should be.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#66669: Oct 22nd 2017 at 2:02:51 PM

Oh yeah that's jarring as well, I don't think anyone outside of 11 and 6 are that important and 11 is long overdue for some actual development.

Hell, even 6 is basically just the girls and Hit.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#66670: Oct 22nd 2017 at 2:04:47 PM

I think every universe should have at least one person capable of giving Goku a good romp.

[up] My feels for Magetta there.

edited 22nd Oct '17 2:04:59 PM by slimcoder

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#66671: Oct 22nd 2017 at 2:06:02 PM

And now I claim post 66,666. Once on a milestone reached.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#66672: Oct 22nd 2017 at 2:08:50 PM

Melon is the devil confirmed.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#66673: Oct 22nd 2017 at 2:11:26 PM

@Shulgo: No it really is a very offensive word to use.

It's just jarring when pushover tries to make these characters a bigger deal than they are...then again, I guess they should be.

I don't think she's a big deal but I do think the term fodder is being used a bit too broadly here.

edited 22nd Oct '17 2:12:12 PM by Moth13

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#66674: Oct 22nd 2017 at 2:24:47 PM

And we'll finally see SSJ 3 again!

Everyone keeps saying that, but I feel it's kind of telling that he says it yet we don't see it in the trailer.

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#66675: Oct 22nd 2017 at 2:36:26 PM

I also think their choices on who to focus on and the universe balance has been really weird.

Really weird. Baffling, even.

They introduced Murichim as the team leader of Universe 10, and he was the only warrior from that universe who even showed his face in any scene prior to the actual tournament. Then for some reason they said, "Nah, let's have him get shitstomped off-screen and instead give the focus to... uh... that green guy."

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