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LLSmoothJ (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#66576: Oct 21st 2017 at 5:45:20 PM

My favorite part of the episode:

Vegeta: I don't want to fight the number two!

Toppo: Aren't you number two, yourself?

Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#66577: Oct 21st 2017 at 6:04:33 PM

[up]Holy shit, Vegeta needs a Burn Heal.

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
srebak Since: Feb, 2011
#66578: Oct 21st 2017 at 6:38:30 PM

I was hoping to not dwell on it as much I used to but, the fact of the matter is that the “Return of Frieza” story arc of Dragon Ball Super is still incredibly bothersome for me, since there really seemed like there was no way out of it all without its deus ex machina at the end.

Gohan, Piccolo and all of the others all went off to fight off Frieza’s army, but, clearly, they all stood no chance against them. Not only did Piccolo go down but Gohan was even tortured to point where Goten actually yelled out his name in tears. That scene still haunts me to think about. And even when Goku and Vegeta both arrived onto the scene, in the end, the battle was still not swaying in the good guys favor. Goku, even whilst in Super Saiyan God form Blue, was still not enough to defeat Frieza, especially not while he was within his new Golden form, which was still enough to overpower him, and the big reveal about Frieza’s new weakness while within this new form not only came to light by sheer luck, but it ultimately mattered nothing in the end, because they had to make Goku suddenly let his guard down around Frieza of all people and get hit with a blow that didn’t seem like it should have been enough to do much to him (say what you want, but Goku never really let his guard down that much with Frieza, especially not when his family and friends were involved either). Now, if Goku had been shot just when he was about to deliver the final blow to Frieza, that would have seemed more fitting to his character, but, instead they make it so that he just powered himself down and then got shot and everyone just kept on giving me grief for it no less too. Not that it really mattered in the end anyways, since when Vegeta’s turn finally came up, not only was his gaining of the upper-hand mostly just because Goku had already tired Frieza out, but, in the end; Frieza still won by destroying the entire planet and according to Beerus, he likely still survived such an action. In the end, Frieza’s return was a threat that had no possible way of ending well, Goku and Vegeta still could not defeat him with their new powers, and, had Whis not suggested his do-over abilities while berating Goku, there would have been no way out of all of it. The fact that it all still worked out okay in the end hardly really matters all that much, since the whole ordeal was still only settled because of a simple stroke of pure luck.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#66579: Oct 21st 2017 at 6:40:12 PM

Vegeta didn't pluck his cabbage in time.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#66580: Oct 21st 2017 at 6:45:22 PM

They could have easily won if Goku and Vegeta had been willing to fight Frieza as a team. Both of them together are almost as strong as Golden Frieza, and unlike with other examples, since the gap isn't as huge as usual, they'd have likely taken him out.

The problem is:

1) neither of them were taking his threat seriously despite knowing what a threat he is;

2) Goku cared more about satisfying his fight boner than just taking him out (even in the Super version where he was more antagonistic towards Frieza, since that's how he should act Toriyama!);

3) Vegeta is too proud to ever work with Goku like that. It takes a Buu and Zamasu level threat for him to swallow his pride and cooperate.

Things only got as bad as they did because the heroes allowed things to get that bad, which is par for the course in the series post Frieza arc.

edited 21st Oct '17 6:45:34 PM by HandsomeRob

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#66581: Oct 21st 2017 at 6:54:12 PM

The preview for the next epiaode says goku will go ss3 against califla and kale. Wtf goku why are you going into the form that drains the most stamina

Larfleeze Agent Orange Since: May, 2009
Agent Orange
#66582: Oct 21st 2017 at 7:11:30 PM

Vegeta confirmed for being the true hero of DBS.

Do you know what people want the most? Something somebody else has.
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#66583: Oct 21st 2017 at 7:11:59 PM

So Vegeta wants to use the Super Dragon Balls to bring back Universe 6 and Frieza wants to use them to control the gods.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#66584: Oct 21st 2017 at 7:17:31 PM

Glad to see someone thought to bring back the erased universes, though Vegeta's thinking a little small there.

I still hope that Jiren's wish is to bring back all the universes Zen-Oh ever destroyed, including the six he destroyed a long time ago.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#66585: Oct 21st 2017 at 7:26:28 PM

On the one hand Cabba was finally able to go SS 2 but on the other, it's still apparent that he's third in the pecking order as far as the U6 Saiyans go.

Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#66586: Oct 21st 2017 at 7:27:11 PM

Frieza doesn't screw around now. He didn't care about his counterpart, and his hatred of Saiyans definitely does apply to Universe 6 Saiyans.

Wait, Goku isn't gonna fight seriously against Kale and Caulifla, considering that he reserves SSJ 2 and SSJ 3 for non-serious battles. Also, he just got back up from being knocked out. Why is he gonna use the form that drains more energy, does he want to knock himself out or something!?

edited 21st Oct '17 7:28:48 PM by Gehayadren

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#66587: Oct 21st 2017 at 7:48:51 PM

[up]I don't think Goku can go higher than that in the state he's in.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#66588: Oct 21st 2017 at 8:01:49 PM

He might not have much choice. They are going to be attacking him together.

As for Cabba, even he knew Kale and Cauliffa stood more of a chance of winning for them than he did (they'd been shown to be stronger than him since he first showed them Super Saiyan) hence why he took on that fight while they saved their energy.

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#66589: Oct 21st 2017 at 8:18:41 PM

Good job, Cabba, you hit SS2 and knocked out at least one decently high-level combatant.

Unfortunately, there was never anything he could do against Freeza.

I don't know if Vegeta meant he would restore all of Universe 6, but maybe just bring back Sadala and the Saiyans into Universe 7. I can't imagine he cares at all about the rest of U6. It is kind of nice to see his Saiyan pride going in a positive direction for once though, looking out for his people.

Toppo vs Vegeta is something I never really thought about, but it could be a really cool battle. Also, Toppo, don't push the Goku Button. That's a bad idea.

Goku vs the Saiya-Gals next time, eh? I too am confused about why he's using SS3, I thought he'd abandoned that form as wasting too much stamina. And he really doesn't have stamina to waste at this point. I can't help thinking that Caulifla and Goku aren't going to be taking this fight super-seriously. Like this is gonna be playtime for them.

edited 21st Oct '17 8:20:28 PM by DarkHunter

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#66590: Oct 21st 2017 at 9:03:49 PM

Y'know, 6's fortunes have reversed so abruptly that I almost suspect this is an elaborate narrative feint and they're going to take the whole thing. They are the "good guy" universe.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#66591: Oct 21st 2017 at 9:06:17 PM

No they're not. They have some good Saiyans. And Caulifa is a stretch at that, what with being a troublemaker and gangleader.

Frost is an asshole and a criminal in the anime, their version of the human race wiped themselves out through war, and their strongest person is an assassin.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#66592: Oct 21st 2017 at 9:23:23 PM

Well, glad we're done with the Universe 6 is the good universe shit.

Though their version of the Saiyans are still mostly better than the U7 Saiyans, probably due to Frost's greater subtlety.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#66593: Oct 21st 2017 at 11:32:28 PM

Man, that episode was crazy! Poor Cabba tho, going Super Saiyan 2 only to instantly job to Frieza. At least that fight with Monna was pretty neat.

Also, new Super Dragon Ball Heroes stuff, again!

Dragon Ball Super Volume 4 and the collected Reincarnated as Yamcha will have exclusive Heroes cards, of SSJB Goku and Reincarnated Yamcha respectively! Also, big fucking spoiler...

Super Saiyan 4 Bardock is coming

edited 21st Oct '17 11:40:54 PM by Rinsankajugin

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#66594: Oct 22nd 2017 at 12:13:57 AM

That was a really cool episode. I really enjoyed Cabba vs Monna, Vegeta's a good teacher, the U6 Namekians seem really cool, and it overall just felt like a very solid satisfying episode. Anyone else take note that the three U3 robots attacking Goku are also the same robots theorized to be able to combine?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#66595: Oct 22nd 2017 at 12:27:25 AM

Oh, cool, Cabba got Super Saiyan 2 and some spotlight. And Toppo's going to fight Vegeta, I hope this doesn't get interrupted, it's about time both of them had a major fight.

I'm glad Vegeta brought up the possibility of saving another universe with the wish, as well as visiting Planet Sadla. Two things that most people were wondering about. But it makes me wonder why the hell no-one else has brought it up wishing to save other universes.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#66596: Oct 22nd 2017 at 12:49:35 AM

[up] The part about Cabba becoming Super Saiyan Two really makes wonder if SS 2 will suffer the same 'fate' as SS 1 as it no longer a big deal anymore but other than that it is okay.

"Mai waifu."
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#66597: Oct 22nd 2017 at 1:11:24 AM

Even more Heroes stuff is popping up, first with Mission 7's opening:

And then with the commercial that aired during tonight's episode of DBS:

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#66598: Oct 22nd 2017 at 1:23:38 AM

I just realized that Hit has the same English voice actor as Jotaro and can also stop time.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#66599: Oct 22nd 2017 at 1:42:16 AM

[up][up][up] Isn't it already suffering from the "Stamina issues" all forms above SS 1 suffer?

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009

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