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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#66501: Oct 18th 2017 at 8:48:22 PM
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#66502: Oct 18th 2017 at 8:48:30 PM

Goku used Super Saiyan God during the Tournament. Not blue, but the original God.

Edit: Murasaki'ed. I curse everyone everywhere.

edited 18th Oct '17 8:49:00 PM by HandsomeRob

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#66503: Oct 18th 2017 at 8:48:46 PM

And you know that the manga is going to bring Roshi, Tien, Krillin, and Frieza onto the team, and that Ultra Instinct is still going to be a thing.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#66504: Oct 18th 2017 at 8:55:15 PM

The anime had Goku use the "fight as God to conserve stamina, but quickly switch to Blue when you connect your hits for max damage" technique Vegeta used against Goku Black in the manga.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#66505: Oct 18th 2017 at 8:55:56 PM

Haven't we known for awhile that they work with the same outline, but that Toriyama would prefer them each to go their own route?

That the anime decides to take something from the manga (or vice-versa, if it happens) doesn't mean that it's going to be a given, or that it should be taken as such.

But in this specific instance it's even less abstract than that: in the anime Toppo himself isn't sure if he can beat Goku, apparently he's clearly superior in the manga. If the anime wanted Toppo to clearly be superior they would have just said it.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#66506: Oct 18th 2017 at 8:58:24 PM

Yeah. I'm assuming that only the fight was in the outline, and how strong Toppo is supposed to be was not mentioned.

I'd also say it's safe to say that Goku still being able to use God was from the outline as well since it shows up in both versions.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#66507: Oct 18th 2017 at 9:22:59 PM

I'd also say it's safe to say that Goku still being able to use God was from the outline as well since it shows up in both versions.

I feel it's more likely Toyotarou did his thing and the anime staff saw and thought "Hey, that's cool! Lets have an episode involving that."

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#66508: Oct 18th 2017 at 9:24:41 PM

Going back a bit to something that Saiga and Pushover have argued about, Pushover, what exactly is "Saiyan Beyond God" to you? I'm not interested in arguing about whether you're right or wrong or whatever, I'm just curious what you're talking about when you mention it.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#66509: Oct 18th 2017 at 9:29:42 PM

From what I've gathered it's using God Ki in their base forms. And then by going Super Saiyan while using God Ki they turn into Super Saiyan Blue Super Saiyan.

TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
Don't know how to pilot this thing
#66510: Oct 18th 2017 at 9:33:13 PM

[up] My only problem with SBG is what would Super Sayain God be then? Unless SSG is Super Saiyan with godly ki and SSB is SS 2 with godly ki, I'd be sorta okay with that.

edited 18th Oct '17 9:34:26 PM by TwistedGear

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#66511: Oct 18th 2017 at 10:03:42 PM

Saiyan Beyond God is Goku or Vegeta funneling some of their Godly Ki into their base state to make themselves much stronger without any visible change. It can still be sensed because it's a mixture of Godly Ki and (filthy) Ningen Ki. They use this state whenever they're fighting someone comparable to Super Saiyan Blue or above Super Saiyan 1 when it looks like they're in base. Goku Black always used this form when he wasn't in Rose.

Notice that no-one assumed to be using this form has ever gone from Saiyan Beyond God to Super Saiyan 1 for a power-up, even though the number of times characters have been assumed to use Saiyan Beyond God is so great that this coincidence verges on inprobable if Saiyan Beyond God doesn't exist. For a recent example, note that I totally called Goku going straight from Saiyan Beyond God to Blue against Ribrianne in the special almost a week before it aired.

Super Saiyan God is an evolution of Saiyan Beyond God where Goku taps into all of his Godly Ki without transforming into Super Saiyan 1.

Super Saiyan Blue is stacking Super Saiyan 1 over Saiyan Beyond God. This form used to be yellow, back in Battle of Gods, before Super Saiyan Blue's design was finalized out-of-universe and Goku gained more Godly Ki from Whis' staff dimension in-universe.

edited 18th Oct '17 10:06:36 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#66512: Oct 18th 2017 at 10:04:25 PM

I mean, the fact that Krillin and Gohan were able to sense Goku at all when he was fighting Frieza before going Blue seems to imply that SBG only makes use of God’s power, but not its godly ki.

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TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
Don't know how to pilot this thing
#66513: Oct 18th 2017 at 10:39:12 PM

Or-

and this might sound crazy-

Maybe it means the "SBG" phenominon has nothing to do with god ki and is just a reasult of Whis's training i.e. it's more of a Ultra Instict kind of powerup that involves them becoming more focused.

edited 18th Oct '17 10:39:31 PM by TwistedGear

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#66514: Oct 18th 2017 at 11:16:39 PM

Either way works for me, honestly.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#66515: Oct 19th 2017 at 12:59:12 AM

Has it ever been explained how Piccolo Jr isn't Made of Evil when his pre-incarnation, his prior self and "soul" (more of a half-soul really) King Piccolo was? If King Piccolo was 100% evil due to the nature of his existence, and he's reshuffled into a new being, shouldn't said being also be 100% evil but just without the memories?

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#66516: Oct 19th 2017 at 1:04:10 AM

Demon King Piccolo was just the evil half of a Namekian, incapable of good. Piccolo Jr is a completely new Namekian which gives him the capacity for growing into a good person, regardless of if the soul he's using starts out evil.

edited 19th Oct '17 1:05:03 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
Don't know how to pilot this thing
#66517: Oct 19th 2017 at 1:05:07 AM

[up][up] I think it's explained that his time with gohan basically wore away his demonic nature, I guess with King Piccolos atachment to his children, the same could have happened with him. But beyond that, we don't get a clear explanation, it's basically the same as how they did Buu/Hercule.

edited 19th Oct '17 1:05:25 AM by TwistedGear

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#66518: Oct 19th 2017 at 1:10:09 AM

Nah, they point out that he was no longer a demon when he kills raditz

Unlike Daimao's victims, Raditz's soul passed on to the afterlife

TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
Don't know how to pilot this thing
#66519: Oct 19th 2017 at 1:23:09 AM

[up] Right, I misremembered, I assumed Gohan had something to do with it because thats what was going on when Kami mentioned it.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#66520: Oct 19th 2017 at 1:45:06 AM

I've noticed something-in the Buu arc, fusions are a theme on both the heroes and villain. Majin Buu is all about his own type of fusion. Also, Super Buu is weird in that he's composed off the same stuff as Innocent Buu, just with the evil in charge.

Some characters I imagine have weird souls. King Piccolo and Kami were two halves of the same person, so in the 4-5 years Piccolo hadn't fused with Kami he had 1 and a half souls-Nail, and his own. Good Buu currently has the Grand Supreme Kai's soul, but I'm not sure what percentage is Buu. And Goku Black and Future Zamasu had identical souls because they're timeline counterparts, which meant Merged Zamasu's soul was identical to when he started unlike other fused souls

There's also Cell. He's an artificial construct, yet biological, so does that mean he has a soul or not in canon? If so because he's biological, why does the soul industry discriminate with mechanical yet clearly sentient and emotional beings like 16? Or does 16 have a robo-soul, they just can't restore the body

edited 19th Oct '17 1:46:22 AM by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93

Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#66521: Oct 19th 2017 at 6:26:29 AM

So when will we get amiibo locked costumes in XV 2? Really want to have Goku in a red hat and overalls.

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#66522: Oct 19th 2017 at 12:59:06 PM

[up][up]16 not having a soul to restore had nothing to do with him being a machine. It was because he's a ginger.

[up]DK tie and barrel toss attack for the Great Ape bosses when?

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#66523: Oct 19th 2017 at 1:46:55 PM

Super Buu is to Cell saga Piccolo what Fat Buu is to Kami before he expelled the original Piccolo.

Also, remember, Toyotaro is more involved into the Universal Survival arc than in previous ones. Hell, he designed about half of the Go D. Working more closely with Toriyama, having a more proactive approach...

bobg Since: Nov, 2012
#66524: Oct 19th 2017 at 2:56:42 PM

So, according to this, Cucatail is actually a chick.

WOW! I don't know who looks more unladylike, her or Beserker Kale. Kale is far more muscular, but she at least has lipstick.

So, would anyone on here do her (I am half joking but also half serious)?

edited 19th Oct '17 2:58:11 PM by bobg

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Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Now a lurker. See you at the forums.
#66525: Oct 19th 2017 at 5:05:34 PM

[up][up] I wouldn't be surprised if Toyotaro also created half of the fighting roster. Now the fun game is knowing who Toyotaro designed and who not. My bet is on Jimeze and the Universe 3 fighters.

Cucatail is best girl.

Also, I enjoyed the destroyers techniques, a bit arquetypical but i'm not complaining. Also, KICK IN THE BALLS OF JUSTICE!

Also, did you know Salagir drew Zamasu in his comic of Multiverse? As a chick.

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1360.html

There is also Jiren dressed up as Saitama and Papyrus in that panel. So Salagir does visit the DBS boards in 4chan...

edited 19th Oct '17 5:10:44 PM by Tomodachi

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.

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