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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#66401: Oct 17th 2017 at 2:51:25 PM

GT gave us    NNNNNNEGATIVE ENERGY   .

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Larfleeze Agent Orange Since: May, 2009
Agent Orange
#66402: Oct 17th 2017 at 2:54:33 PM

SS 4 was great and it looked awesome.

The idea behind the Evil Shenrons was good (actual consequences for abusing the Dragonballs) even if the execution was mostly bad (only Omega and Nuova were any good).

Baby was a great villain in theory because it actually dealt with the fact that Saiyans were mostly asshole monsters who committed genocide on the regular and not some tragic noble race like they were treated after the Freeza Saga.

Hell the idea of Trunks, Goten, and Pan going on a galactic adventure had promise.

But that’s GT in a nutshell: Great ideas and god awful execution.

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Larfleeze Agent Orange Since: May, 2009
Agent Orange
#66403: Oct 17th 2017 at 3:09:02 PM

Though GT’s greatest crime was never having Pan go Super Saiyan.

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MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#66404: Oct 17th 2017 at 3:22:22 PM

[up]

It was so obvious... Which is of course why they never did it.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#66405: Oct 17th 2017 at 3:25:00 PM

I'm just surprised Heroes hasn't jumped on that yet.

This song needs more love.
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#66406: Oct 17th 2017 at 3:27:01 PM

Okay, but I have to ask: why does English dub Goku sounds nothing like... well, Goku?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#66407: Oct 17th 2017 at 3:32:34 PM

Gotta be more specific. Do you mean nothing like you'd imagine Goku would sound, or like the Japanese version, or whatever Dub version you know, or what?

edited 17th Oct '17 3:32:47 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#66408: Oct 17th 2017 at 3:35:51 PM

[up][up] What does that mean?

[up] Indeed that question is too vague.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#66409: Oct 17th 2017 at 3:41:01 PM

Like Goku original voice of course. It seems like a bad dubbing practice to give a character vastly different sounding voice than they had in original.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#66410: Oct 17th 2017 at 3:43:10 PM

Because Goku in Super acts a lot more childish and impulsive than he did in Z so Schemmel has to update his voice direction to reflect that.

edited 17th Oct '17 3:44:50 PM by Lionheart0

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#66411: Oct 17th 2017 at 3:46:30 PM

@ Larfleeze: Those criticisms could also apply to Super.

Are fusions of more than two composites even possible in canon? We haven't seen it done yet, but I'm wondering if it is possible or not.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#66412: Oct 17th 2017 at 3:46:43 PM

Since I don't watch the anime in the first place I haven't watched Super's dub, but what does Sean's Goku sound like now?

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#66413: Oct 17th 2017 at 3:46:54 PM

[up][up][up]No sorry, maybe I was not clear enough after all. I meant the original Japanese voice, not the voice he did in Z.

edited 17th Oct '17 3:47:54 PM by Shlugo_the_great

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#66414: Oct 17th 2017 at 3:47:48 PM

Well... because he's not an aged Japanese woman?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#66415: Oct 17th 2017 at 3:48:10 PM

The voices have changed a lot over time. They were pretty rough in the beginning, and super inconsistent.

The new voices still feel pretty inconsistent. Like, doing a lot of Z / Kai comparisons and some scenes are still better in Z.

[up][up] Oh. Well, originally the dub was not trying to be accurate to the Japanese version so they made no effort to imitate Nozawa. Even now, they're still trying to be consistent with the old dub.

edited 17th Oct '17 3:51:29 PM by Saiga

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#66416: Oct 17th 2017 at 3:49:50 PM

In general I don't think dubs should set out and try and mimic the Japanese version, they should try and fit the voice to the character, which may not be the same thing.

In this case, specifically, I'd say that's even more important, because Goku's Japanese voice is terrible and I don't even think it fits with the purported reason it is the way it is (because Goku is a child at heart or whatever, the voice doesn't even come off as childish to me).

edited 17th Oct '17 3:51:04 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#66417: Oct 17th 2017 at 3:51:38 PM

The West is willing to change voices when characters grow up.

Goku in English sounds like an actual grown-ass man.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#66418: Oct 17th 2017 at 3:52:23 PM

Plus, they give the same voice to teen/adult Gohan and Bardock.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#66419: Oct 17th 2017 at 3:54:16 PM

[up] Bardock's English VA is awesome.

That cannot be contested.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#66420: Oct 17th 2017 at 3:54:27 PM

I actually don’t mind the voice all that much.

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#66421: Oct 17th 2017 at 3:54:33 PM

Oh. Well, originally the dub was not trying to be accurate to the Japanese version so they made no effort to imitate Nozawa. Even now, they're still trying to be consistent with the old dub.

Ah, so at the beginning thy didn't care enough to find someone with a fitting voice for Goku and now they are unwilling to change. I see, thanks.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#66422: Oct 17th 2017 at 3:56:15 PM

[up] Huh the way your phrasing that makes it sound like a bad thing.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#66423: Oct 17th 2017 at 3:56:57 PM

Probably because it is.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#66424: Oct 17th 2017 at 3:58:21 PM

Adult Goku would just sound wrong in English with a Nozawa-like voice.

edited 17th Oct '17 3:58:50 PM by LordVatek

This song needs more love.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#66425: Oct 17th 2017 at 3:58:26 PM

Ehhhh I disagree.

[up] Indeed.

edited 17th Oct '17 3:58:46 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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