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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#66376: Oct 17th 2017 at 3:27:34 AM

Not to mention, Frieza was the most powerful character at that point in the series and Goku needed a powerup just to close the gap. Frieza was/is a monster who basically established a large majority of the power scaling in Z.

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#66377: Oct 17th 2017 at 3:57:51 AM

[up][up] Oh, was the whole "A Super Saiyan is a warrior who is pure of heart and awakened by rage" bit a dubism? Or was it something Goku said? Or was it both?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#66378: Oct 17th 2017 at 4:08:24 AM

Goku says it after reaching the form.

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#66379: Oct 17th 2017 at 5:29:56 AM

It's really just an assumption on Goku's part. Maybe not even an accurate assumption, given how Cabba is literally the only other Saiyan we know of to unlock Super Saiyan 1 through rage directed at someone else. Future Trunks and Future Gohan got it before History of Trunks even started, Vegeta and Gohan got it off-panel through unknown means, Goten just did it one day while training with Chi-Chi, Trunks got it off-panel through unknown means, Caulifla achieved it by focusing her ki into her back, and Kale got her unique transformation through extreme self-loathing.

Maybe righteous anger is just one of many triggers for Super Saiyan, and Goku just assumed that it was the way to get the form because he was the first person in 1,000 years to transform into it and everyone else just kind of trusted that Goku, of all people, knew what he was talking about.

edited 17th Oct '17 10:26:01 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#66380: Oct 17th 2017 at 7:12:07 AM

ARE WE STILL IN THE TOURNAMENT OF POWER!?

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
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#66381: Oct 17th 2017 at 7:14:41 AM

We're only halfway through. It's probably going to last until late January/early February 2018.

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#66383: Oct 17th 2017 at 8:28:01 AM

Even then, Vegeta’s idea about Super Saiyan was closer to the Super Namekian concept from Lord Slug, in that it was simply a higher state of being that a Saiyan naturally reached when they got strong enough, instead of being a straight up transformation.

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#66384: Oct 17th 2017 at 9:22:23 AM

Super's arcs aren't that long, they're just padded as hell.

edited 17th Oct '17 9:22:45 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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#66385: Oct 17th 2017 at 10:20:27 AM

The Tournament of Power has been going on for 15 episodes so far, with 20 more episodes dedicated to the pre-tournament exhibition matches and recruitment of the fighters. Given that the tournament is exactly halfway over, I think it's fair to expect it to go on for 15 episodes more, rounding out the final total for the Universal Survival Saga to 50 episodes even.

edited 17th Oct '17 10:26:47 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#66386: Oct 17th 2017 at 12:27:17 PM

So...GT or Super?

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#66388: Oct 17th 2017 at 12:52:14 PM

I guess Super is better for the most part but I much prefer Super Saiyan 4 to God and Blue (jury's still out on Ultra Instinct).

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#66389: Oct 17th 2017 at 1:37:38 PM

Man, the timing behind the dub is so weird.

I just watched Dub episode 37, and Hit is about to fight Vegeta, meanwhile in the original version, he's just been eliminated from the tournament.

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#66390: Oct 17th 2017 at 1:39:59 PM

Same thing happened with Frost, where he was eliminated from the tournament in the same week in both dub and sub.

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#66391: Oct 17th 2017 at 1:50:11 PM

Gohan got Super Saiyan on-panel, by focusing on his anger at Gohan's instruction.

Vegeta mentions being angry at himself for his transformation.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#66392: Oct 17th 2017 at 2:10:04 PM

Yeah. It doesn't matter who you're pissed at, as long as you are pissed enough, and have the right level of power.

Also, I'd forgotten the detail about Dub and Sub Frost. Come to think about it, it was the same with Frieza, with him coming back into the story of super right around the same time the Resurrection F arc started in the anime.

I'm wondering if they are doing this on purpose now, cause that level of coordination is way too much to be a coincidence.

One Strip! One Strip!
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#66393: Oct 17th 2017 at 2:12:04 PM

Vegeta mentions being angry at himself for his transformation.

"I wanna! I wanna be a super saiyan! I wanna! I wanna, I wanna, I wanna-"

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MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#66394: Oct 17th 2017 at 2:19:29 PM

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It's telling that it's been so long since I've watched the Kai version of that scene, that the DBZA version comes to mind quicker.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#66395: Oct 17th 2017 at 2:19:40 PM

The only good thing about GT is this video

And maybe the joke about Vegeta's mustache.

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#66396: Oct 17th 2017 at 2:25:15 PM

I kinda liked Giru...

But everything else was pretty dumb. And yes that includes SS 4. I never liked anything about that form.

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#66398: Oct 17th 2017 at 2:33:31 PM

Best part of GT.

Along with some good parts like Baby, Super 17 & a couple of the Shenrons.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#66399: Oct 17th 2017 at 2:44:59 PM

I like Super Saiyan 4 for the idea of combining the two transformations, rather than just forgetting Tails were a thing.

I can see why Toriyama went with God and Blue though. He's one for going for simpler looks rather than anything that looks more complicated, though even he likes SS 4 (though not enough to come up with his own version).

One Strip! One Strip!
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#66400: Oct 17th 2017 at 2:48:07 PM

Also Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta was more entertaining than Super Saiyan Blue Vegetto.

This song needs more love.

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